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Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:22 pm

I have already have RPiOS installed on a 32GB microSD card, and slowly getting used to RPiOS, to give me that extra storage space will this be a good idea to install RPiOS on a 64GB card, or use an external HD drive.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:28 pm

In your shoes, I would wait until I saw whether 32GB was going to be enough. Most of the time, I run with cards no bigger than 16GB. With one exception, if any of my Pis look to need more than 32GB, I go with an SSD or HDD....or if I want the better performance and longevity.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:38 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:28 pm
In your shoes, I would wait until I saw whether 32GB was going to be enough. Most of the time, I run with cards no bigger than 16GB. With one exception, if any of my Pis look to need more than 32GB, I go with an SSD or HDD....or if I want the better performance and longevity.
Ok, thank you.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:56 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:28 pm
In your shoes, I would wait until I saw whether 32GB was going to be enough. Most of the time, I run with cards no bigger than 16GB. With one exception, if any of my Pis look to need more than 32GB, I go with an SSD or HDD....or if I want the better performance and longevity.
I agree, wait till you run out and actually need the extra space.

For info, Pi's and PIOS work well with cards much larger than 32GB - certainly 64GB is common, 128GB and 256GB work perfectly.
Looking at current prices:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microS ... fde0ac07ae
32GB and 64GB are so cheap now there is no point in going for anything smaller.

Moving to an SSD over USB3 should give a speed increase, but of course is not as neat and tidy as just using a tiny card in the slot in the Pi.
And again, I would wait and see if speed is a problem before changing to an SSD.
Linux (PIOS) is particularly good at masking poor disk speeds by a very effective disk cache so you may find a fast A1 class SD card perfectly good enough. I do.
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm

jahboater wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:56 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:28 pm
In your shoes, I would wait until I saw whether 32GB was going to be enough. Most of the time, I run with cards no bigger than 16GB. With one exception, if any of my Pis look to need more than 32GB, I go with an SSD or HDD....or if I want the better performance and longevity.
I agree, wait till you run out and actually need the extra space.

For info, Pi's and PIOS work well with cards much larger than 32GB - certainly 64GB is common, 128GB and 256GB work perfectly.
Looking at current prices:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microS ... fde0ac07ae
32GB and 64GB are so cheap now there is no point in going for anything smaller.

Moving to an SSD over USB3 should give a speed increase, but of course is not as neat and tidy as just using a tiny card in the slot in the Pi.
And again, I would wait and see if speed is a problem before changing to an SSD.
Linux (PIOS) is particularly good at masking poor disk speeds by a very effective disk cache so you may find a fast A1 class SD card perfectly good enough. I do.
Thank you, so it is possible then to install RPiOS onto a 128GB and 256GB microSD cards, I'm guessing Extreme A1 cards are the ones to go for.

Yes have noticed the price of the microSD cards and their sizes.

I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.

With the 256GB microSD card, that's not much more than what I have on my MacBook Pro, again with a Pi 4 8GB and maybe a 256GB card, anything else that I may need to buy or upgrade to, in the mean time getting used to RPiOS on my Pi 3 B+.

I have downloaded all MagPi magazines, and starting from Issue 1 in 2012, there is a lot of very useful information, for a beginner like myself.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:46 pm

Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
Thank you, so it is possible then to install RPiOS onto a 128GB and 256GB microSD cards, I'm guessing Extreme A1 cards are the ones to go for.
It is possible, but few people need that much. I only have one 256GB card and it is used to store my media collection.
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.
Now that's a different matter!!!
The Pi4 has:-

Up eight times the memory and its much faster (1300Mhz DDR4)
True GiGe ethernet (connected directly to the SoC)
USB3
Twice the SD card access speed
Modern out-of-order CPU cores (Cortex-A72)
A die shrink, so it is more stable at higher speeds (300 to 500 MHz over clocks are normal and trivial).
Dual video ports up to 4K
The base 2GB model is the same price as the older Pi's.

A 64-bit OS is available to take advantage of the 8GB. Its still in beta, but works fine for most people.
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:51 pm

jahboater wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:46 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
Thank you, so it is possible then to install RPiOS onto a 128GB and 256GB microSD cards, I'm guessing Extreme A1 cards are the ones to go for.
It is possible, but few people need it.
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.
Now that's a different matter!!!

The Pi4 has:-

Up eight times the memory and its much much faster (1300Mhz DDR4)
True GiGe ethernet (connected directly to the SoC)
USB3
Twice the SD card access speed
Modern out-of-order CPU cores (Cortex-A72)
A die shrink, so it is more stable at higher speeds (300 to 500 MHz over clocks are normal and trivial).
Dual video ports up to 4K
The base 2GB model is the same price as the older Pi's.
Thank you, what does interest me is the Duel video ports up to 4K, I use 2 GoPro Hero 5 Black and one of them is always on 4K for one of my hobbies, so would be interest in how RPiOS will handle this on a Pi4 8GB.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:50 pm

Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.
Depends on what you are doing, what you are planning on doing, can see yourself doing, and the same applies to how large an SD Card / HDD / SSD you might need.

I'm perfectly happy with my Pi 3B (non-plus) as my main Pi. But then I've never really been driven to have the latests and greatest and have no real need for anything better.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:59 pm

hippy wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:50 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.
Depends on what you are doing, what you are planning on doing, can see yourself doing, and the same applies to how large an SD Card / HDD / SSD you might need.

I'm perfectly happy with my Pi 3B (non-plus) as my main Pi. But then I've never really been driven to have the latests and greatest and have no real need for anything better.
Ok, thank you. I will see how both 1080p and 4K video handle on the Pi 3 B+ that I have at the moment, but more than likely at some point go for the Pi4 8GB because of it's speed and memory.

Maybe Eben Upton is already working on the Raspberry Pi 5 with 32GB? ;)

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:19 pm

Maybe Eben Upton is already working on the Raspberry Pi 5 with 32GB? ;)
Yes, but you're not allowed to talk about it (or even mention the possibility).

Bad things could happen. Threads get locked, locusts attack, sandstorms happen, and worse...
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm

GlowInTheDark wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:19 pm
Maybe Eben Upton is already working on the Raspberry Pi 5 with 32GB? ;)
Yes, but you're not allowed to talk about it (or even mention the possibility).

Bad things could happen. Threads get locked, locusts attack, sandstorms happen, and worse...
I could do with some more locusts. The pets are getting hungry ;)

As for the Pi 5, well it's no secret that it has been planned for a while. What the specs will be and when it will be announced - we'll just have to wait and see.

Any speculation will probably get the thread locked, as will mention of the Pi 6, which I think has been hinted of as at least being in the early planning stages.
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:56 pm

rpdom wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm
Any speculation will probably get the thread locked, as will mention of the Pi 6, which I think has been hinted of as at least being in the early planning stages.
I would be truly astonished if that *isn't* the case. Far too many people seem to think the time between starting to think about a new board and the launch is a matter of a few months. The reality is that it takes several years, 5+ being expected. So if one anticipates 2 to 4 years between new versions, then--at any given time--there are at least two succeeding generations in various stages of development.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:06 pm

Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:59 pm
Ok, thank you. I will see how both 1080p and 4K video handle on the Pi 3 B+ that I have at the moment, but more than likely at some point go for the Pi4 8GB because of it's speed and memory.
The Pi 3 B+ doesn't handle 4k video.
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:13 pm

I would go for a 64GB card.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:17 pm

Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:59 pm
hippy wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:50 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:36 pm
I'm almost tempted to go for the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, would this be a good move upgrading from a Pi 3 B+.
Depends on what you are doing, what you are planning on doing, can see yourself doing, and the same applies to how large an SD Card / HDD / SSD you might need.

I'm perfectly happy with my Pi 3B (non-plus) as my main Pi. But then I've never really been driven to have the latests and greatest and have no real need for anything better.
Ok, thank you. I will see how both 1080p and 4K video handle on the Pi 3 B+ that I have at the moment, but more than likely at some point go for the Pi4 8GB because of it's speed and memory.

Maybe you should actually check the Technical Specifications of Raspberry Pi SBCs ?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/


Please do not try to discuss "possible" future products.
Rather than negativity think outside the box !
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:43 pm

jahboater wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:06 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:59 pm
Ok, thank you. I will see how both 1080p and 4K video handle on the Pi 3 B+ that I have at the moment, but more than likely at some point go for the Pi4 8GB because of it's speed and memory.
The Pi 3 B+ doesn't handle 4k video.
Ok, looks like will be getting the Pi4 8GB soon then.

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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:12 pm

neilgl wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:13 pm
I would go for a 64GB card.
+1. But it totally depends on what you're doing. I like 64GB, but using my Pi as a desktop PC for years, it's run out of space. YEah. 64GB wasn't enough.
On the other hand, 8GB is more than enough for many things.
There are actually some disadvantages of unnecessarily high capacities:
  • more expensive, so therefore,
  • if/when it breaks you will be more frustrated than if it was really cheap.
  • Longer backup times.
  • If you backup your SD card to a .img file, it will take up more space. (64gb card = 64gb backup img, etc.)
Want to make your own Raspbian image?
  • Hard way: Mess with confusing terminal commands.
  • Easy way: Let Pi-Power-Tools do it all for you!
Boot your image in a VM, Flash from the Internet at top speed, Mount (to drop files in), Edit partitions, Shrink/Expand, Repair, and more. Enjoy! :)
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:50 pm

Botspot wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:12 pm
neilgl wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:13 pm
I would go for a 64GB card.
+1. But it totally depends on what you're doing. I like 64GB, but using my Pi as a desktop PC for years, it's run out of space. YEah. 64GB wasn't enough.
On the other hand, 8GB is more than enough for many things.
There are actually some disadvantages of unnecessarily high capacities:
  • more expensive, so therefore,
  • if/when it breaks you will be more frustrated than if it was really cheap.
  • Longer backup times.
  • If you backup your SD card to a .img file, it will take up more space. (64gb card = 64gb backup img, etc.)
You can even run Raspbian Lite on an 8GB card ...

The price difference nowadays is negligible.
Its hard to find 8GB cards for sale.
The larger cards are usually faster.
If they have wear leveling, then the larger card will last a much longer.
Use the supplied tool for efficient backups.
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Re: Install RPiOS - 64GB microSD

Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:21 am

GlowInTheDark wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:19 pm
Maybe Eben Upton is already working on the Raspberry Pi 5 with 32GB? ;)
Yes, but you're not allowed to talk about it (or even mention the possibility).

Bad things could happen. Threads get locked, locusts attack, sandstorms happen, and worse...
Yes of course, will not mention this type of subject again ;)

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