BigRodney
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Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:21 am

Hi all. I’m a noob at the pi, I have done one project two years ago but I remember basically nothing about it so I’m basically starting from scratch. My goal is to make a media center, I have a pi 4b and a 32 GB SD card. The pi site says to load NOOBS on my SD card if I’m a beginner so good enough but when I go to the NOOBS webpage there are four different ways to download NOOBS, two offline and two online and for each of those Torrent and Zip. I know what Zip is but what is Torrent? Can I just unzip the zip file and copy the files to the SD card directly or is there more to it than that? Do I need to format the card first and if so should use the SD Card Association’s formatting tool: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html or what? The software setup guide and the setup guide video linked on the NOOBS page aren’t much help.

Here is a link to the NOOBS page I’m referring to.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:01 am

BitTorrent is a peer-to-peer file transfer method. When you use it, your machine uploads to others that are trying to download. Personally, I stick with the direct zipped download. YMMV. If the text about how to download and install NOOBS isn't getting you anywhere, here https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/videos/#noobs-setup is a video of how to do it.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:05 am

I think I may have found the answer to my question. Please take a look at Setup on this webpage and tell me what you think. Thanks

https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/bl ... x-software

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:07 am

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:01 am
BitTorrent is a peer-to-peer file transfer method. When you use it, your machine uploads to others that are trying to download. Personally, I stick with the direct zipped download. YMMV. If the text about how to download and install NOOBS isn't getting you anywhere, here https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/videos/#noobs-setup is a video of how to do it.
Thanks for the explanation of Torrent. I did watch that video before but it didn't help me much. I posted what I think might be the answer to my question. If you have time please take a look and tell me what you think. Thanks.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:33 am

BigRodney wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:05 am
I think I may have found the answer to my question. Please take a look at Setup on this webpage and tell me what you think. Thanks

https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/bl ... x-software
At a glance...yes, that's pretty all you have to do. You get NOOBS onto the card just by copying it there (e.g. "drag and drop"). Be sure to check the items at the bottom of the screen where it declares language, though. Also...be sure the SD card is formatted as FAT32, not exFAT.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:34 am

BigRodney wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:21 am
Hi all. I’m a noob at the pi, I have done one project two years ago but I remember basically nothing about it so I’m basically starting from scratch. My goal is to make a media center, I have a pi 4b and a 32 GB SD card. The pi site says to load NOOBS on my SD card if I’m a beginner so good enough but when I go to the NOOBS webpage there are four different ways to download NOOBS, two offline and two online and for each of those Torrent and Zip. I know what Zip is but what is Torrent? Can I just unzip the zip file and copy the files to the SD card directly or is there more to it than that? Do I need to format the card first and if so should use the SD Card Association’s formatting tool: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html or what? The software setup guide and the setup guide video linked on the NOOBS page aren’t much help.

Here is a link to the NOOBS page I’m referring to.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

Thanks in advance for the help.

Why use NoobS to install an Operating System ?

There is an easier method on the downloads page:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
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Rather than negativity think outside the box !

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:00 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:34 am
BigRodney wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:21 am
Hi all. I’m a noob at the pi, I have done one project two years ago but I remember basically nothing about it so I’m basically starting from scratch. My goal is to make a media center, I have a pi 4b and a 32 GB SD card. The pi site says to load NOOBS on my SD card if I’m a beginner so good enough but when I go to the NOOBS webpage there are four different ways to download NOOBS, two offline and two online and for each of those Torrent and Zip. I know what Zip is but what is Torrent? Can I just unzip the zip file and copy the files to the SD card directly or is there more to it than that? Do I need to format the card first and if so should use the SD Card Association’s formatting tool: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html or what? The software setup guide and the setup guide video linked on the NOOBS page aren’t much help.

Here is a link to the NOOBS page I’m referring to.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

Thanks in advance for the help.

Why use NoobS to install an Operating System ?

There is an easier method on the downloads page:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
I'm a noob so I'm not sure why NOOBS, lol. All I'm going by is that noobs apparently has some utilities that allow beginners to accomplish some things more easily. This webpage explains it.

https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/bl ... x-software

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:51 pm

If NOOBS is what you want to use, that's fine. But it doesn't seem so easy if you need to ask lots of questions before you can use it.

But it is not what is recommended in the current version of the official Raspberry Pi Getting Started documentation -
https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/pro ... tting-up/2

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:56 pm

I would suggest you forget noobs unless you want to install one of the less popular o/s alternatives. But if you intend to install and use Raspbian Just install that.

less data to download, less useless data on your sd card once the installation has been finalised, and a lot quicker from start to finish.

preparation using the downloaded zip file and the balena-etcher utility is very simple and straight forward. Resulting in a ready to run system sd card.

Once you have booted up your Pi just enter

$ sudo raspi-config

at the cli (command line interface) and a nice simple interface will present you with all the options that need configuration,
key config items that need attention
#1 Change the pi pw
#2 confirm pi hostname and set wifi creds if needed
#3 turn on any io interfaces you intend to use SSH and VNC server for remote access and things like gpio and spi/i2c interfaces if you intend to connect to the gpio..
#4 set video resolution and possibly change the video memory allocation (can be reduced to a minimum if running a headless system.. )


Noobs isnt named for Newbie users its named after (New Out Of the Box Software)

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:55 pm

B.Goode wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:51 pm
If NOOBS is what you want to use, that's fine. But it doesn't seem so easy if you need to ask lots of questions before you can use it.

But it is not what is recommended in the current version of the official Raspberry Pi Getting Started documentation -
https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/pro ... tting-up/2
I think the reason for so many questions is the numerous ways to load an operating system and confusing, to me anyway, lack of descriptive difference between them. However as has been suggested here I'm now thinking of going with the std Raspbian and seeing how that goes.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:57 pm

PhatFil wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:56 pm
I would suggest you forget noobs unless you want to install one of the less popular o/s alternatives. But if you intend to install and use Raspbian Just install that.

less data to download, less useless data on your sd card once the installation has been finalised, and a lot quicker from start to finish.

preparation using the downloaded zip file and the balena-etcher utility is very simple and straight forward. Resulting in a ready to run system sd card.

Once you have booted up your Pi just enter

$ sudo raspi-config

at the cli (command line interface) and a nice simple interface will present you with all the options that need configuration,
key config items that need attention
#1 Change the pi pw
#2 confirm pi hostname and set wifi creds if needed
#3 turn on any io interfaces you intend to use SSH and VNC server for remote access and things like gpio and spi/i2c interfaces if you intend to connect to the gpio..
#4 set video resolution and possibly change the video memory allocation (can be reduced to a minimum if running a headless system.. )


Noobs isnt named for Newbie users its named after (New Out Of the Box Software)
Ok ok ok, lol, you've convinced me, I'm going with rasbian, we'll see how that goes. I'm waiting for an SD card in the mail so it might be a couple days before I can do this.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:13 pm

BigRodney wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:21 am
Hi all. I’m a noob at the pi, I have done one project two years ago but I remember basically nothing about it so I’m basically starting from scratch. My goal is to make a media center, I have a pi 4b and a 32 GB SD card. The pi site says to load NOOBS on my SD card if I’m a beginner so good enough but when I go to the NOOBS webpage there are four different ways to download NOOBS, two offline and two online and for each of those Torrent and Zip. I know what Zip is but what is Torrent? Can I just unzip the zip file and copy the files to the SD card directly or is there more to it than that? Do I need to format the card first and if so should use the SD Card Association’s formatting tool: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html or what? The software setup guide and the setup guide video linked on the NOOBS page aren’t much help.

Here is a link to the NOOBS page I’m referring to.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

Thanks in advance for the help.
Where did you find the instructions you're using was it on the Internet wayback machine https://archive.org?
If you really need NOOBS functions you should use PINN (which is NOOBS plus some christmas tree decorations to make it nicer (not necessarily easier) to use).
You should use the RPF Installer (launched this year) or Balena Etcher with a downloaded image file.
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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:38 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:13 pm
BigRodney wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:21 am
Hi all. I’m a noob at the pi, I have done one project two years ago but I remember basically nothing about it so I’m basically starting from scratch. My goal is to make a media center, I have a pi 4b and a 32 GB SD card. The pi site says to load NOOBS on my SD card if I’m a beginner so good enough but when I go to the NOOBS webpage there are four different ways to download NOOBS, two offline and two online and for each of those Torrent and Zip. I know what Zip is but what is Torrent? Can I just unzip the zip file and copy the files to the SD card directly or is there more to it than that? Do I need to format the card first and if so should use the SD Card Association’s formatting tool: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html or what? The software setup guide and the setup guide video linked on the NOOBS page aren’t much help.

Here is a link to the NOOBS page I’m referring to.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

Thanks in advance for the help.
Where did you find the instructions you're using was it on the Internet wayback machine https://archive.org?
If you really need NOOBS functions you should use PINN (which is NOOBS plus some christmas tree decorations to make it nicer (not necessarily easier) to use).
You should use the RPF Installer (launched this year) or Balena Etcher with a downloaded image file.
You know its funny, when I went back to the pi website to find the instructions I was going to use I couldn't find them and I only referenced them from the page a couple days ago.

So, I'm following the instructions to load the rasbian os, not noobs, so I downloaded the imager from this page.

Setting up your Raspberry Pi
https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/pro ... tting-up/2

From which link to "Installing operating system images"
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

From which link to "Raspberry Pi Imager"
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:54 pm

So this is NOTHING to do with NOOBS in that case.

The Imager is NOT writing NOOBS to your card, it is writing plain Raspbian Buster.
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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:53 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:54 pm
So this is NOTHING to do with NOOBS in that case.

The Imager is NOT writing NOOBS to your card, it is writing plain Raspbian Buster.
Yea I got that, going on the advice here I'm going with Raspbian not noobs. Unfortunately right now I have an HDMI cable but not one with mini HDMI on one end so I'm at a standstill again. Poor planning.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:56 pm

Make sure you get the PSU too. This is the "official" one, which will always work properly, others may not (and its cheap):
https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-psu-uk
There have been endless problems over the years with people trying to use random phone chargers etc.

There is an "official" HDMI cable too, also cheap and known to work:
https://thepihut.com/products/micro-hdm ... mi-a-cable

You will likely need multiple micro SD cards for experimenting. These popular Sandisk A1 class cards are fast and reasonably priced:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microS ... 567&sr=8-5

You should not need a heat sink, but this stick-on one is effective and looks good!
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/heatsinks/7500951/
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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:50 am

no hdmi cable isnt a total show stopper. as long as you have a network cable and network to connect to ;) Many pies (that never gets old for me..) are both installed and run headless (without TV/monitor keyboard and mouse..).

you can look up detailed instructions but its simply a case of adding an empty file named 'ssh' in the boot partition on your sd card once its been 'imaged'. which can be done with the windows file manager..

https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ is the tool i use to connect to my headless pies (snigger #2)
Once connected you can run the raspi_config utility and enable vnc server to provide you with the option to connect to the desktop remotely as well as using ssh to access the cli.

Tip If you opt to go headless and want to engage with the desktop you can change the screen resolution with the raspi-config utility too ;)

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:57 am

PhatFil wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:50 am
no hdmi cable isnt a total show stopper. as long as you have a network cable and network to connect to ;) Many pies (that never gets old for me..) are both installed and run headless (without TV/monitor keyboard and mouse..).

you can look up detailed instructions but its simply a case of adding an empty file named 'ssh' in the boot partition on your sd card once its been 'imaged'. which can be done with the windows file manager..

https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ is the tool i use to connect to my headless pies (snigger #2)
Once connected you can run the raspi_config utility and enable vnc server to provide you with the option to connect to the desktop remotely as well as using ssh to access the cli.

Tip If you opt to go headless and want to engage with the desktop you can change the screen resolution with the raspi-config utility too ;)
:shock: Lol, I really do appreciate the help but I didn't understand a thing you said, well maybe sort of a little, but anyway I think I'll wait for my converter cable to come in. Thanks again.

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Re: Help installing NOOBS

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:03 am

no worries . "headless" simply means without tv/monitor or keyboard etc attached.

SSH (Secure SHell) is simply a robust and secure way to connect to your headless computer.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... er-machine
goto #3 ;)

Now a ssh connection may be all i need as a somewhat more familiar user, While you as a newcomer to all things pi, may well be way more comfortable using the windowed/gui desk top interface..

you can access that on a headless pi too but to set it up (start the vnc server) you will need to use the secure shell (SSH) first to connect and run the rspi-config utility.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... -config.md

It may sound all hi-tech and difficult, But like most things PI take your time relax read up a bit and pay attention to the results of commands you issue and its all fairly straight forward.

The only 'tricky' aspect can be finding out the new Pi's ip address, which generally just involves logging onto the web interface of your router/dhcp server and monitoring the page that lists all the "connected devices" both before and after plugging in the pi's network cable.

the pi ip address will appear on refreshing the routers connected devices page reveling it to you for use when initially connecting via ssh ;)

vnc overview..
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... ccess/vnc/

go on have a go ....

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