pmoyle111
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"NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:08 pm

I'm a brand new user. I chose this platform as the engine for a smart septic control system I have designed. While I normally prefer to design all my hardware from scratch instead of use COTS, I don't want to be on the hook to support it. It may have a long lifetime. That said I probably want to build and sell some units and in either case users will need to be able to purchase replacement parts or upgrades.

So that brings me to this: I read the NOOBS license and it states that it may be used for non-commercial use only. I may go ahead and use noobs for my development/POC but probably want to switch a distribution that is a standard GPL/2. I have worked under Linux on and off for about 20 yr (right now is an off - I've been writing windows drivers for the last 3 yr so I get a little rusty but it should come back.)

Anyone have any advise out there? (Sorry if this has been asked, search didn't turn up anything useful).

DirkS
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:16 pm

why would you want to use Noobs instead of a plain OS image?
Like the ones found at https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

fruitoftheloom
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:28 pm

pmoyle111 wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:08 pm
I'm a brand new user. I chose this platform as the engine for a smart septic control system I have designed. While I normally prefer to design all my hardware from scratch instead of use COTS, I don't want to be on the hook to support it. It may have a long lifetime. That said I probably want to build and sell some units and in either case users will need to be able to purchase replacement parts or upgrades.

So that brings me to this: I read the NOOBS license and it states that it may be used for non-commercial use only. I may go ahead and use noobs for my development/POC but probably want to switch a distribution that is a standard GPL/2. I have worked under Linux on and off for about 20 yr (right now is an off - I've been writing windows drivers for the last 3 yr so I get a little rusty but it should come back.)

Anyone have any advise out there? (Sorry if this has been asked, search didn't turn up anything useful).

NoobS is not a Linux Distribution par se, it is an installer / chooser, as above stated use Raspbian...

...the Lite version which is a fork of Debian ARMHF, is likely the best to start with and just add a desktop and other software as required.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/


https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... programme/

https://www.raspberrypi.org/trademark-rules/

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... formity.md

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/powere ... pberry-pi/
Adieu

pmoyle111
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:26 am

I checked out flute provided links but they have the same restrictive licensing at the bottom of the page. It seems it is particular to some pieces from wolfram none of which I care about. Is there an easy way to get rid of that?

fruitoftheloom
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:35 am

pmoyle111 wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:26 am
I checked out flute provided links but they have the same restrictive licensing at the bottom of the page. It seems it is particular to some pieces from wolfram none of which I care about. Is there an easy way to get rid of that?

The Raspbian Lite version has no desktop or extra software.....
Adieu

hippy
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:40 am

I recall "sudo apt-get remove wolfram-engine" but a forum search should bring up details on discussions of what may still be left behind and other non-commercial licence only stuff you may have to remove.

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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:07 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:35 am
The Raspbian Lite version has no desktop or extra software.....
Yup, Raspbian Lite, which is based on Debian armhf, would be the one to go with. The Desktop version has licenced software.

You might also want to look into piCore if you want something more fault tolerant (piCore runs entirely from RAM, so the SD card is only used to boot the system and is not used by the running OS.
My mind is like a browser. 27 tabs are open, 9 aren't responding,
lots of pop-ups...and where is that annoying music coming from?

pmoyle111
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Re: "NON COMERCIAL USE ONLY"

Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:26 pm

I've done some initial checking out of the piCore mentioned by HawaiianPi. That looks very interesting. I like lean and mean. I'm basically a hardware/bare metal guy so that appeals to me beyond the requirement of jettisoning the non commercial only code. Rarely do I use an OS at all, and usually its an rtos, but for this project I need to make things potentially serviceable by an end user/technician or electrician, so I want to use openPLC for the bottom end control logic and that runs on Linux and actually supports RPi directly. And of course constructing utilities for user config/debug are just easier as well.

Thanks HawaiianPi.

regards,

pmoyle111

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