Message to Eben Upton and the users out there

[tinker1]

I have a strong message to Eben Upton (please listen to the users of what the users really want to see and have). If Eben Upton wants to see Raspberry Pi to join Windows 10 platform to make a better difference then Eben Upton must meet this requirements as follow: 2GB-4GB RAM (at least 2GB RAM MUST HAVE), 1 Gigabit Ethernet Port (MUST HAVE), Power and Restart buttons (treat Raspberry Pi in good way MUST HAVE), 1.5-1.8 GHZ quad core CPU and better graphics (at least 2.0 GHZ MUST HAVE). I know it is insane to ask too much for.

The new Raspberry Pi 4 cant just release few years time (2018-2020) because the world and technologies are moving/changing very fast. Do you guys agree?

I know Eben Upton doesn't like to read or listen to the users. Does Eben Upton want to see Raspberry Pi foundations grow better (it is up to him to decide)?

[Jednorozec]

The most relevant word in your post is 'insane'.

[bensimmo]

Given Microsoft have worked closely, one would assume, with the release of the Pi3 to launch Win10 IOT and actively support it and produce learning and tinkering kits with it.
Then the Pi is already on the Win10 platform. It's an IOT device and not a desktop device.

[davidcoton]

The Pi is not intended as a consumer platform. It is not intended to run an OS that would cost more than the hardware. It is intended as a low-cost platform for educational use. Raspberry Pi Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation with educational aims, it is not a business. There are other suppliers with hardware in the market you describe.

Quite apart from the fundamentals I have described, the plans for the next incarnation of the Pi are almost certainly complete. I know that the Pi team are at least as competent as you at specifying hardware for any given market, it's just that they don't tell everyone in advance (for good commercial reasons). You can be quite sure that whatever is ion board the next Pi, it will include surprises, delights and possibly disappointments for almost all users.

And finally, why would Eben or anyone elso want to see the Pi join Windows 10 platform? (Apart from IOT, which may have some purpose on Pi hardware). It already runs a whole bunch of cheaper, but otherwise comparable, OSs from the Linux family.

Amendment to above -- I don't understand it, but apparently Eben would welcome a Pi-based Win10 desktop. See here. But clearly in Microsoft's court, not RPF.

[jamesh]

Question. Who do you think has the better idea of what going on in the tech world.

Eben Upton, who created the fastest growing computer manufacturer in the UK, is a very good chip architect, who also works for Broadcom, a big designer and supplier of chips, and every time I've spoken with him has demonstrated an exceptional grasp on the technological world. Who heads a team of highly competent engineers who are all very geeky and knowledgeable, who are always getting together and talking about future roadmaps (I know, I've been there)

Or some random bloke on the internet.

[hansotten]

I admire the Foundation and what is stands for.

From the About us on raspberrypi.org:

The Raspberry Pi Foundation works to put the power of digital making into the hands of people all over the world, so they are capable of understanding and shaping our increasingly digital world, able to solve the problems that matter to them, and equipped for the jobs of the future.

We provide low-cost, high-performance computers that people use to learn, solve problems and have fun.
We provide outreach and education to help more people access computing and digital making.
We develop free resources to help people learn about computing and how to make things with computers, and train educators who can guide other people to learn.

The first line is what the Foundation is about, the other lines describes the way they try to achieve that. The Raspberry is there to help, the education and resources and train educators are just as important. Eben has always been clear about this.

As you can see from the last years the Raspberrycomputers have been outselling any prediction Eben may have had many years ago, and made it possible to finance the education and free resources developed and trained educators.
But you may also have seen the Foundation invest as much as possible in the education part, see the large staff now working on that.

Eben also makes it clear he is quite agnostic when it comes to Linux, Windows, and support of large companies and such, as long as it serves to help the Foundation achieves its goal. So if Microsoft make Windows 10 desktop available or if Google makes Android available on the Raspberry, fine, helps to sell more Raspberries and also make digital making available to an even larger audience.

The RPI Foundation is therefore not the typical computer manufacturer. No big sales staff, no big marketing campaigns, no large ego CEO.
But it obviously cares about the community that has helped to make the Raspberry Pi computer such a success and surely listens to it. But they will not let the Raspberry computer sales success determine what they want to achieve. A low-cost computer is part of the methods , but providing a full blown desktop computer as the OP does will therefore left to other parties in the computer market.

[fruitoftheloom]

The Original Poster first post asked for a RPi4 only 2 Months ago, so why is this post active ???

viewtopic.php?f=63&t=150606&p=989200#p989200

[dasmanul]

Question. Who do you think has the better idea of what going on in the tech world.

Eben Upton, [...]

Or some random bloke on the internet.

Don't we all know that some-random-bloke-on-the-internet(tm) is always-right(tm)?

[jamesh]

When the Pi first came out, there were quite a number of people who were really quite upset at how the RPF was handling the business. So upset in fact they were really quite strident on this forum, and eventually had to be banned . They were basically saying the RPF was run by idiots, and the RPF should immediately start using their business ideas or fail. (They went to the E14 forums, some are still there, still bitter, still mostly wrong)

4 years later, multiple products in the range, responsible to a completely new market sector, piling loads of money into education, no signs of any problems, huge user support, great community. Visited the ISS, has its own print magazine, used in both in schools and industry, sold 9M devices.

Looks like Eben does know what he is doing, and those random internet people really REALLY didn't.

It's for times like this that the phrase 'In Your Face' was invented.

(I've had a couple of reports on this thread, but I'm enjoying it so far, but it will get locked at some point once the fun runs out)

[fruitoftheloom]

When the Pi first came out, there were quite a number of people who were really quite upset at how the RPF was handling the business. So upset in fact they were really quite strident on this forum, and eventually had to be banned . They were basically saying the RPF was run by idiots, and the RPF should immediately start using their business ideas or fail. (They went to the E14 forums, some are still there, still bitter, still mostly wrong)

4 years later, multiple products in the range, responsible to a completely new market sector, piling loads of money into education, no signs of any problems, huge user support, great community. Visited the ISS, has its own print magazine, used in both in schools and industry, sold 9M devices.

Looks like Eben does know what he is doing, and those random internet people really REALLY didn't.

It's for times like this that the phrase 'In Your Face' was invented.

(I've had a couple of reports on this thread, but I'm enjoying it so far, but it will get locked at some point once the fun runs out)

I thought all Raspberry Pi's and Compute Module was now well over 10 million in 4 years ??


Regards Windows 10 Desktop/Mobile Operating Systems, well there are plenty of devices which offer this locked down OS already, the RPi does not need it !!!

About thrice the sum total of of all the "Clones" ??

Though pales into insignificance compared to the ChromeCast 30 million in 3 years: http://www.recode.net/2016/7/28/1231841 ... chromecast


Obviously Eben Upton is an idiot that is why Viewsonic and Citrix offer RPi Thin Clients: https://citrixready.citrix.com/viewsoni ... c-t25.html

..or the Slice exists: http://fiveninjas.com
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[mfa298]

4 years later, multiple products in the range, responsible to a completely new market sector, piling loads of money into education, no signs of any problems, huge user support, great community. Visited the ISS, has its own print magazine, used in both in schools and industry, sold 9M devices.

Not to mention all the other SBCs out there, whilst I think some pre-date the Pi I think it's fair to say they've all likely benefited from the Pis popularity.

Some of those SBCs are launching now with lower specs than many of the Pi models because there's also a strong demand for small self contained and low powered machines rather than bulky power hungry desktop oriented systems. The popularity of the Pi zero is also a testament to that.

If you really want a windows desktop to run on a small machines like a Pi you may do better to ask MS and the other software giants to write their code to run on a more constrained system. Throwing resource at the problem isn't always the best solution.

[Heater]

Some random bloke on the internet here,

The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a non-profit organization. A charity as registered in the UK. As a charity it's mission is all about supporting education in computing.

As such I really hope they never spend even a nanosecond helping to support the objectives of one of the biggest profit making companies in the world. Whose profit motive dictates they keep their technology secret. The total antithesis of educational.

These things are at such polar extremes I'm not sure how they can even exist on the same forum without a huge explosion.

On the other hand, if someone wants to get their proprietary OS running on a Pi they are welcome to try. Others have done it, I don't see how it is not possible for a business with vast resources to throw at the problem.

More practically, what programs does tinker1 want to run on the Pi? Most Windows software is compiled for the Intel x86 architecture and will not run on the ARM processor of the Pi. What use is the OS without programs to run on it? Perhaps that is why it has not been done already, it's a waste of time.

If you are going to write your own programs then that is already easy enough on Raspbian.

[hansotten]

Some random bloke on the internet here,

As such I really hope they never spend even a nanosecond helping to support the objectives of one of the biggest profit making companies in the world. Whose profit motive dictates they keep their technology secret. The total antithesis of educational.

These things are at such polar extremes I'm not sure how they can even exist on the same forum without a huge explosion.

Welcome to the real capitalist world. The companies that produce the Raspberry, Farnell, RS are business striving for profit also, and they make the Raspberry with a profit. If there is no profit, they wont, see the Zero case.
Microsoft and Google, companies who support the Raspberry and the Foundation with indeed only a profit motive, as any sound business would. And yes, all these companies have business secrets they guard, to keep their profit.

Eben and the Foundation are realists in a real world.