MWW1977
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Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:33 am

Hi everybody,

Yesterday I go my original Pi screen and installed it right away. :D
I have Rasbian Jessie running and I'm using a 5-10V 2A power supply....and yet I get the flashing square in the upper right hand corner indecating not enough juice.
Is that a Voltage problem or a Amp problem?

I do have a power supply for the tablet of my boys :mrgreen: that has 2.5 A.
But I'm not an electrician and don't want to short circuit my Pi 2.

Kind regards,
Mike
The Netherlands

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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:59 am

Update: just found out when the Pi is showing the message: I didn't have the Wifi dongel connect just a few minutes ago.

In the moment I've powered the Pi 2 and screen with a 4000Mah powerbackup for my phone. (I just wanted to test how that would work :D ) it has 2 USB out ports a 1A and an 2.1A. I have it connected to the 2.1 A and first it wasn't showing the square.
It only started flashing after I pluged in the Wifi-dongel.

But I'm still looking was an answer to wether it's the Voltage that I must increase or the Amperage?

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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:06 am

voltage [and amps]
power the display and use that to power the RPi
make sure you have good quality leads
you may need more that 2A to power the display and the RPi and power hungry devices
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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:18 am

Hi RaTTuS,

thanks for your answer. I have connected the Pi to the driverboard with the jumpercables that came with the pi screen.
But I'll go and hook up that kids adapter to the Pi screen tonight and see if that does the trick. ;)

My goal is to build a magic mirror that standard shows weather forecast and stuff but when someone from my family stands infront of the mirror it displays there Google agenda aswell via facial recognition. And I would like some voice commands to.
So I need some hardware plugged in to the Pi 2. And that all need power.

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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:52 am

To put this another way; the voltage must always be the same. To high and you let the smoke out, to low and things stop working.

The purpose of the power supply is to keep the voltage constant.

The amps as shown on a power supply is a measure of how much current can be drawn before the power supply begins to fail. (voltage drop)

The amps as shown on a device is a measure of how much current it will take from the power supply.

A 5 volt power supply rated at 2 amps will easily supply enough current for a 5 volt device that only takes 1 amp. The voltage is regulated to stay the same.

Google ohms law e.g. http://www.cybersoftware.co.uk/gcse_ele ... _law.shtml
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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:25 am

Thanks for pointing it out like that Cancelor.

I suspected something like that but I'm a civil engineer not an electrician. :mrgreen:
And indeed...I don't want smoke comming of my Pi. :D

So to som it up:
If you take a ... let's say 5V 10A power supply the Pi would just be fine. I can get more juice then it needs!
But if you take a 12V 10A power supply you'll hear a "bang" and see some smoke comming from your Pi!
And if you have a 3V 20A (if that's even possible or for sale) nothing would happen. Your Pi isn't getting out of bed for that low power.

So...for a truly portable solution I must look for a powerbank with an USB out put of more then 2.4 A so all my extra hardware components will work properly.

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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:59 pm

Yep. At the risk of making an analogy that won't pass muster with the actual Electrical Engineers that inhabit this forum, voltage is like (and sometimes is called) "electrical pressure", a measure of how much resistance a charge can overcome, while amperage is a measure, more or less, of how many electrons are available right now. If you don't have a high enough voltage to push electrons through the circuit, it doesn't really matter how many electrons you have available. So first you must have sufficient voltage - but NOT too much, as that can fry circuits (think of electricity flowing through the circuit with such force that it forges its own paths, rather than politely staying on the marked trails). The Raspberry Pi wants 5 Volts - much less than that and the circuitry won't work, much more and the circuitry will fry. Once you achieve the required 5V, then the issue becomes, are there enough electrons available to feed all of the circuitry? That's where amps come into play - the Pi itself will run with something much less than the 2A (2 amps) that is often recommended, but all the extra add-on bits take power too. And the newer Raspberry Pi's (the 2B and the 3) are more power-hungry than the earlier ones. They used to recommend 1A or 1.5A power supplies (actually, I think they started out with 0.7A aka 700mA). But now, take a Pi 2, add a WiFi dongle, and the touchscreen display, and you really want more like 2.5A to keep all the circuitry from starving.

My Pi 3 and 7" touchscreen display are connected by the two GPIO jumpers between their respective 5V and ground pins (with an official Pi 5V/2.5A power supply plugged into the display), one of the recommended hookup methods, but according to this article ( https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/the-ea ... i-display/ ), one of the other recommended methods is to connect separate 5V supplies to the Raspberry Pi and the Touchscreen Display. One can also plug the display and Pi together with a MicroUSB-to-USB cable, but I've seen a number of reports of that resulting in the dreaded rainbow square, indicating undervoltage (presumably due to excessive resistance in the USB cable). Using the GPIO wires method, I see the little rainbow square flicker once or twice during boot, but it never appears during normal running. Pimoroni also offers a cable splitter, which attaches to the MicroUSB plug on the end of your normal power supply cable, providing two MicroUSB plugs, to plug into both the display and Pi, which is said to work well.

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Re: Voltage or Amp problem??

Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:26 pm

MWW1977 wrote:Thanks for pointing it out like that Cancelor.

I suspected something like that but I'm a civil engineer not an electrician. :mrgreen:
And indeed...I don't want smoke comming of my Pi. :D

So to som it up:
If you take a ... let's say 5V 10A power supply the Pi would just be fine. I can get more juice then it needs!
But if you take a 12V 10A power supply you'll hear a "bang" and see some smoke comming from your Pi!
And if you have a 3V 20A (if that's even possible or for sale) nothing would happen. Your Pi isn't getting out of bed for that low power.

So...for a truly portable solution I must look for a powerbank with an USB out put of more then 2.4 A so all my extra hardware components will work properly.
I think you've got it ;-)
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