USB Keyboard with built in hub works on B+ but not A+

[Outten]

I have all of the Pi revisions.

I have been using a USB keyboard with 2 port built in hub.
This works in default on the B+, but not at all on the A+

Is there a way to allow the full 500ma out to A+ USB port, on the old Model B this was as easy as removing the Poly fuses.

I am using a good quality 5V 2A PSU for ALL my Pi's

With thanks in advance.

[jdb]

Can you post a lsusb -v with the device plugged into your B+?

[Outten]

I am sorry but lsusb -v will print a verbose output on the B+ & the device works on the B+ both the B+ & A+ are using the same PSU & the same micro SD.

More useful would be lsusb on the A+, as this would show the device isn't there (unpowered or underpowered)
Confirmed other keyboards work.

[rpdom]

I am sorry but lsusb -v will print a verbose output on the B+ & the device works on the B+ both the B+ & A+ are using the same PSU & the same micro SD.

More useful would be lsusb on the A+, as this would show the device isn't there (unpowered or underpowered)
Confirmed other keyboards work.

lsusb on the B+ will give details of the device that might help with debugging why the A+ doesn't recognise it.

[Outten]

As you wish:
lsusb -v

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Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               2.00
  bDeviceClass            9 Hub
  bDeviceSubClass         0 Unused
  bDeviceProtocol         2 TT per port
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x0424 Standard Microsystems Corp.
  idProduct          0x9514
  bcdDevice            2.00
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  iProduct                0
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    bmAttributes         0xe0
      Self Powered
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower                2mA
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      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Single TT
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      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        wMaxPacketSize     0x0001  1x 1 bytes
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    Interface Descriptor:
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      iInterface              0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
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          Usage Type               Data
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Hub Descriptor:
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    Per-port power switching
    Compound device
    Per-port overcurrent protection
    TT think time 8 FS bits
  bPwrOn2PwrGood       50 * 2 milli seconds
  bHubContrCurrent      1 milli Ampere
  DeviceRemovable    0x02
  PortPwrCtrlMask    0xff
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   Port 1: 0000.0503 highspeed power enable connect
   Port 2: 0000.0100 power
   Port 3: 0000.0103 power enable connect
   Port 4: 0000.0503 highspeed power enable connect
   Port 5: 0000.0100 power
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
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  bDeviceClass            9 Hub
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  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  bNumConfigurations      1
Device Status:     0x0001
  Self Powered

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Device Descriptor:
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    bConfigurationValue     1
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      Self Powered
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower                0mA
    Interface Descriptor:
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      bInterfaceClass         9 Hub
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      iInterface              0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
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        wMaxPacketSize     0x0004  1x 4 bytes
        bInterval              12
Hub Descriptor:
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  bDescriptorType      41
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    Ganged power switching
    Per-port overcurrent protection
    TT think time 8 FS bits
  bPwrOn2PwrGood        1 * 2 milli seconds
  bHubContrCurrent      0 milli Ampere
  DeviceRemovable    0x00
  PortPwrCtrlMask    0xff
 Hub Port Status:
   Port 1: 0000.0503 highspeed power enable connect
Device Status:     0x0001
  Self Powered

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
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  bMaxPacketSize0        64
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  idProduct          0xec00
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  iProduct                0
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  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
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    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0xe0
      Self Powered
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower                2mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           3
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
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      bInterfaceProtocol    255
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      Endpoint Descriptor:
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      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
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      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        wMaxPacketSize     0x0010  1x 16 bytes
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Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
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  bDescriptorType         6
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  bDeviceClass          255 Vendor Specific Class
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         1
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  bNumConfigurations      1
Device Status:     0x0001
  Self Powered

Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
Device Descriptor:
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  bMaxPacketSize0         8
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    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0xe0
      Self Powered
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower              100mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         9 Hub
      bInterfaceSubClass      0 Unused
      bInterfaceProtocol      0 Full speed (or root) hub
      iInterface              0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0001  1x 1 bytes
        bInterval             255
Hub Descriptor:
  bLength               9
  bDescriptorType      41
  nNbrPorts             4
  wHubCharacteristic 0x0009
    Per-port power switching
    Per-port overcurrent protection
  bPwrOn2PwrGood       22 * 2 milli seconds
  bHubContrCurrent    100 milli Ampere
  DeviceRemovable    0x00
  PortPwrCtrlMask    0xff
 Hub Port Status:
   Port 1: 0000.0100 power
   Port 2: 0000.0303 lowspeed power enable connect
   Port 3: 0000.0100 power
   Port 4: 0000.0100 power
Device Status:     0x0001
  Self Powered

Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter
Device Descriptor:
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  bMaxPacketSize0        64
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  iProduct                2 54M.USB.......
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      (Bus Powered)
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      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           2
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass    255 Vendor Specific Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol    255 Vendor Specific Protocol
      iInterface              0
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        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
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        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
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        bmAttributes            2
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        bInterval               0
Device Qualifier (for other device speed):
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  bDescriptorType         6
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  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  bNumConfigurations      1
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  (Bus Powered)

Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04d9:1702 Holtek Semiconductor, Inc.
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
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  bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
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  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0         8
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  idProduct          0x1702
  bcdDevice            1.01
  iManufacturer           1
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  iSerial                 0
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
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    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength           59
    bNumInterfaces          2
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0xa0
      (Bus Powered)
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower              100mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      1 Boot Interface Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      1 Keyboard
      iInterface              0
        HID Device Descriptor:
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          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength      62
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval              10
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        1
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           1
      bInterfaceClass         3 Human Interface Device
      bInterfaceSubClass      0 No Subclass
      bInterfaceProtocol      0 None
      iInterface              0
        HID Device Descriptor:
          bLength                 9
          bDescriptorType        33
          bcdHID               1.10
          bCountryCode            0 Not supported
          bNumDescriptors         1
          bDescriptorType        34 Report
          wDescriptorLength     101
         Report Descriptors:
           ** UNAVAILABLE **
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
        bmAttributes            3
          Transfer Type            Interrupt
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0008  1x 8 bytes
        bInterval              10
Device Status:     0x0000
  (Bus Powered)

[Outten]

To be clear, the B+ had the SD card & the PSU from the A+ (swapped them)

I have managed to do what I was aiming, by moving the SD card from A+ to B+ configure the wireless adaptor (shown in the LSUSB dump) & put it back into the A+. But is a worry I couldn't configure it directly on the A+.

[jdb]

The hub inside your keyboard is only connecting at full-speed. Presumably someone has tied off the "be a high-speed hub" pin inside the device.

The USB port in full-speed mode with downstream low-speed devices attached via a hub are not a supportable configuration on Raspberry Pi due to limitations with the USB PHY.

On the A+, if you plugged a high-speed hub in and then plugged the keyboard into that, the configuration would work.

[Outten]

Hi Sorry, I am aware of those limitations.

I am not plugging any devices into the keyboard when it is attached to either the A+ or B+.
The device works (as a keyboard) on the B+ but not on the A+
I do not carry further hubs as mostly all my PI's are configured as headless.
Even with the downstream limitations of the USB IC (for smartphones etc.)
The keyboard should still work on the A+, it does not; therefore I assume there is some further hardware limitation between the B+ & A+

Please advise

[Outten]

The Keyboard is connected directly to Device bus 001 for both A+ & B+
Neither config uses the Hub. ie:

Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
iSerial 1 bcm2708_usb
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0606 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 2.0 Hub / D-Link DUB-H4 USB 2.0 Hub
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
Hub Port Status:
Port 1: 0000.0100 power
Port 2: 0000.0303 lowspeed power enable connect
Port 3: 0000.0100 power
Port 4: 0000.0100 power
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04d9:1702 Holtek Semiconductor, Inc.
bDeviceProtocol 0
iProduct 2 USB Keyboard
bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device
bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass
bInterfaceProtocol 1 Keyboard

As you can see the problems stated in down stream support are irrelevant, as no devices are connected to the `Full Speed` hub. The keyboard works on the B+, but A+ alas no banana.

With regards

[Aydan]

do a "lsusb -t" and you will see that the B+ has a hub inside the LAN chip.

Regards
Aydan

[fruitoftheloom]

do a "lsusb -t" and you will see that the B+ has a hub inside the LAN chip.

Regards
Aydan

Further to above post the USB Hub / Ethernet use the http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/De ... ct=LAN9514

Therefore the A+ & B+ are different as jdb stated

[pluggy]

There are differences between how the USB behaves on the B family (B,B+,2) of Pis and the A family (A,A+). I've posted about it several times, but never got much attention, I've just accepted it now. It has never been a priority to look into it I reckon. Stuff that works fine on the Bs not working on the As is common in my experience.