Um, ok... I understand why you'd want to do this, but it will never happen. Everybody (as a consumer) will have to pay VAT on a commercial product (which the RasPi is). Maybe the government could implement a scheme for schools to allow pupils to purchase RasPis with VAT excluded? Regardless of the approach, there's going to be some admin/organisational effort.AidanDelaney wrote:@MattPurland: As I've pointed out, it's not that simple. They pay VAT and then claim it back on some things. Organising something with the distributors requires more organisation effort than can be reasonably requested from individial schools. But, I'm more interested in getting a cheaper RPi into the hand of the kid who's parents are hard-up for cash. Removing VAT helps this.
Complete and total waste of time. VAT is simply not a system where individual product items can be exempted, however good the cause. You will get nowhere - give up now (assuming that it's a serious proposal which I doubt).AidanDelaney wrote:Dear all,
I set this up a while ago, but simply forgot to tell people about it
An interesting point, though I note the current government have decided not to issue a pardon. I think there is probably a difference between a popular swell of opinion where all that the government has to do is say sorry, compared with a complex technical issue that will cost the Treasury money. I think we would be much more likely to get a zero rated warm pasty than a zero rated cold pi.finnw wrote:Yes.tufty wrote:Does anyone actually pay attention to epetitions? Is there any proof that one has ever changed anything?
+1liz wrote:My very, very dear friend Oggie, who died in 2007, was the lead developer on the e-petitions website. The last time I saw him, a couple of days before he died, he was ripping his (plentiful) hair out over the amount of frivolous bullshit people were posting to it; I specifically remember him mentioning a petition to make Tony Blair take a bath in baked beans with a degree of fury.
I suspect this petition has a similar chance of succeeding.
You're not understanding the issue here. It's not that Jaffa Cakes are an exempt class of product, the issue is this product falls right at the boundary of two major classification categories: food (exempt) and snacks (not exempt). I may not have exactly the right category names here but the principle is clear. Then whenever you have an item right at the boundary, there's a debate to be had about which category it actually falls in. Similarly, with the infamous pasties - it's just a matter of exact interpretation of well-established definitions.rasbeer wrote:
Dreamland!There's no reason why there shouldn't be a VAT exempt category for something like 'ultra-low cost bare-board educational computers'.
I remember this case. Customs and Excise said it was a biscuit (VATtable) McVitties said it was a cake (exempt). In the end they won the case by baking a huge one and asked the court if it was a biscuit or a cake. The answer was obvious and McVitties won.prodata wrote:
You're not understanding the issue here. It's not that Jaffa Cakes are an exempt class of product, the issue is this product falls right at the boundary of two major classification categories: food (exempt) and snacks (not exempt). I may not have exactly the right category names here but the principle is clear.
It was cakes and biscuits. VAT is paid on chocolate covered biscuits but not on chocolate covered cakes. The Man argued that the Jaffa Cake was a biscuit and therefore subject to VAT. McVitie countered this by bringing in a cake sized Jaffa Cake to show it was really a cake. It all hinged on the definition of biscuit and cake, which didn't exist. In the end it was decided that a biscuit starts off hard and then goes soft, while a cake starts off soft and then goes hard. McVities won the case.prodata wrote:
There is just no such parallel with the Pi (or any other similar devices) - The Pi falls squarely and unambiguously into the category of non-exempt items. It's not a boundary case in any sense whatsoever.
Exemption would have to be on the basis of purpose of use not price so it would need to be exemption for "bare-board educational computers". You then need to define "bare-board computers" and "educational computers" and decide which fit the definitions and which do not.rasbeer wrote:There's no reason why there shouldn't be a VAT exempt category for something like 'ultra-low cost bare-board educational computers'.