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Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:53 pm

http://www.bananapi.org/


Looks interesting. Dual core, IR Reciever, 1.7a usb, SATA, "gigabits" ethernet.

Website seems cheesy as hell tho.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:09 pm

1) Duel core? Are they fighting each other?

2) (But seriously folks…) Looks kewl, but no idea what it costs. That's always the bottom line…
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:19 pm

This seems to be a hoax. Not even the company can be found.
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:26 pm

I clicked "BUY A Pi" and "Download", nothing happend. Is that web site still in construction?

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:48 pm

http://liliputing.com/2014/04/banana-pi ... emory.html

Heres the liliputing article, says $57.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:56 pm

It'd be intersting to see how well this fares against SolidRuns HummingBoard.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:02 pm

The Ads on Aliexpress look like that:

Free Shipping DIY mini pc banana pi includes android system and Raspberry Pi systems
or
banana pi A20 development board ,better than rasbperry pi , can run raspberry image

not very plausible ...
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:10 pm

Seems fake :!: :!:
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:14 pm

I think I can hear the Raspberry P lawyers dropping from a great height like the proverbial ton of bricks as we speak...

There are so many trademark infringements on that site it's hardly believable. There may even be others as well.

Copy cats, fine, good luck to them. Flagrant trademark infringement, not so good.

As for the device itself, more memory, another core. But the Allwinner SoC design is a bit woeful even with an extra core, and the GPU slower, so swings and roundabouts. Nice of them to copy the form factor as well. Obviously not a particularly imaginative effort.
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:39 pm

One of the websites is hosted in the US, so the lawyers might have a look there first. China is a bit more difficult ...
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:12 pm

ric96 wrote:Seems fake :!: :!:
It doesn't seem like a con, surely if it was a con they would have put in place a way to actually take peoples money.

Could be a joke/parody but I doubt it those boards look fairly real to me.

My guess is it's a real project from some group who have the hardware design skills to design a build based on a reference design but are somewhat lacking in other aspects of managing such a project.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:13 pm

ghans wrote:It'd be intersting to see how well this fares against SolidRuns HummingBoard.
For some reason solidrun don't seem interested in selling the damn thing, only making a handful of them to give to testers.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:26 pm

jamesh wrote:I think I can hear the Raspberry P lawyers dropping from a great height like the proverbial ton of bricks as we speak...

There are so many trademark infringements on that site it's hardly believable. There may even be others as well.

Copy cats, fine, good luck to them. Flagrant trademark infringement, not so good.
Where are the trademark violations? :/ I only get a 1 page site with no Pi logo's or anything like that. You are allowed to mention a competing product by name, that's not in any way against the law.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:40 pm

rmwebs wrote:
jamesh wrote:I think I can hear the Raspberry P lawyers dropping from a great height like the proverbial ton of bricks as we speak...

There are so many trademark infringements on that site it's hardly believable. There may even be others as well.

Copy cats, fine, good luck to them. Flagrant trademark infringement, not so good.
Where are the trademark violations? :/ I only get a 1 page site with no Pi logo's or anything like that. You are allowed to mention a competing product by name, that's not in any way against the law.
The name Raspberry Pi * is trademark, they use it a LOT without anything on the site saying it is a trademark. Which is probably all they would need to add, but they haven't even bothered with that. But then they are not bothering with any mechanism to pay for it either...

Those Chinese knock off guys. What a larf they are.


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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:04 pm

jamesh wrote:. But the Allwinner SoC design is a bit woeful even with an extra core
Thought it was the same processor as the Cubieboard 2 and my CubieBoard 2 is at least 70% faster than my Pi's when both running a single task. Running [email protected] the Cubieboard 2 i.e. two processes it scores 3.7 times what the Pi does daily.

Still if they every get round to exploiting the FFT libraries for the Pi's GPU things may change.

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:53 pm

KeithSloan wrote:
jamesh wrote:. But the Allwinner SoC design is a bit woeful even with an extra core
Thought it was the same processor as the Cubieboard 2 and my CubieBoard 2 is at least 70% faster than my Pi's when both running a single task. Running [email protected] the Cubieboard 2 i.e. two processes it scores 3.7 times what the Pi does daily.

Still if they every get round to exploiting the FFT libraries for the Pi's GPU things may change.
Depends on what running, but the memory subsystem HW (MMU and plumbing) certainly isn't as good at the 2835, and there are other design tradeoffs (as might be expected with a chip that was knocked together is less than a year which is a very short amount of time to do anything clever). As I understand it the Mali isn't great compared to the VC4 either.

With regard to you tests, what clock speed are the systems running at?
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:58 pm

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With regard to you tests, what clock speed are the systems running at?
Both run at standard clock speeds. (I don't overclock as I run 24x7). So 700Mhz for Pi and 1Ghz for Cubieboard 2 I assume.

The Cubieboard 2 does a small amount of web serving (apache) as well as running [email protected] The Pi just runs [email protected]
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:02 pm

KeithSloan wrote:
jamesh wrote:
With regard to you tests, what clock speed are the systems running at?
Both run at standard clock speeds. (I don't overclock as I run 24x7). So 700Mhz for Pi and 1Ghz for Cubieboard 2
That sounds about right. You should be able to overclock the Raspi to at least 800-900 even when running 24/7. Most people do!
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:06 pm

jamesh wrote: That sounds about right. You should be able to overclock the Raspi to at least 800-900 even when running 24/7. Most people do!
But are they running at 98% CPU for 24x7?

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Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:22 pm

KeithSloan wrote:But are they running at 98% CPU for 24x7?
Many certainly can. Even my 'ancient' 256MB Model B happily runs at 1GHz (+43%) ARM, 500MHz (+100%) Core, and 500MHz (+25%) RAM speeds 24/7 for days at a time stressing the CPU and GPU and hard as I can. Any Pi that'll run a Pi foundation approved 'Turbo' overclock will do the same.
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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:19 pm

I know the Chinese are masters at fakes and knock-offs (hiding capacitors inside batteries) but this really does take the bloody biscuit. :lol:

So I take it this is no April fools joke / Pi parody then?? - I guess not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Pi

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:50 pm

Looks like it's not a joke. I could order one from: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38397015838
And on their forum, there is a guy had already received a real board: http://forum.lemaker.org/cn/viewthread. ... a=page%3D1

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:08 pm

Is that price in chinese yuan? does it include delivery etc and if-so to where?

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:52 pm

plugwash wrote:Is that price in chinese yuan? does it include delivery etc and if-so to where?
Yes, all in CNY.
The big orange color number ¥299.00 is the price for the board itself.
Delivery via a China domistic EMS package require adding another ¥22.00.
I don't know if they are willing to ship internationally.

They have an English forum: http://forum.lemaker.org/index.php

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Re: Banana pi, 1ghz duel core clone.

Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:55 am

That makes the board about $47ish.

Sounds about right. They'll be making a decent profit at that price.
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