dom
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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:17 pm

Anyone with the booting problem that has been fixed with latest update:
Can you do a test for me.
Can you add boot_delay=0 to config.txt and see it it still works.
If that breaks it, can you add:
boot_delay=0
boot_delay_ms=100
and confirm if that works. Ideally find the smallest boot_delay_ms= that allows it to work.

Currently I'm waiting 1 second (boot_delay=1) to work around this problem, but the problem doesn't occur for me, so I want to get some feel for how long a delay is typically required.

Steven Boelens
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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:49 pm

I am testing Dom's suggestions now...

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:22 pm

dom wrote:Anyone with the booting problem that has been fixed with latest update:
Can you do a test for me.
Can you add boot_delay=0 to config.txt and see it it still works.
If that breaks it, can you add:
boot_delay=0
boot_delay_ms=100
and confirm if that works. Ideally find the smallest boot_delay_ms= that allows it to work.

Currently I'm waiting 1 second (boot_delay=1) to work around this problem, but the problem doesn't occur for me, so I want to get some feel for how long a delay is typically required.
boot_delay=0 (also boot_delay_ms=0) works flawlessly for me
Rebootet about 5 times without any hangs.
Also completely powered off, my Pi boots again without problems.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:40 pm

Just to keep life interesting it would appear that I have two unconnected issues.

I crashed my SD card last time I copied the 224/32 split to my active start.elf. When the Pi started it gave six flashes of the green led and that was it.
So I restored the SD card from a backup from last night (backup with the firmware updated already).

I tried the restored card in the Pi again. Exactly like before, failure if unpowered for too long. So I tried to copy the 224/32 split again. And again the Pi crashed with six flashes.

Now I got a new SD card (same make and type). I restored the same backup. The Pi responded exactly the same but this time I can change the split. It might just be that one of my problems is card related. Is there a utility that does something like a bad sector check in the Pi? I could try that if I restore the 'faulty' card and can get it to reboot.

So the new card also has starting issues with the 240/16 split but NOT with the 224/32 split. If I use that the Pi always boots, even after longer periods being unpowered. This is with the firmware from yesterday.

I changed the split back to 240/16 and the problems reappeared (with the new SD card).

Now I tried the suggestion from Dom:
- Added the boot_delay=0
No change. Still problems.
- Changed to boot_delay=1
No change. Still problems.
- Now updated to the last firmware (sudo rpi-update).
The Pi boots after being unpowered for a longer time (with the boot_delay=1).
- Changed the boot_delay to 0 with the latest firmware:
The Pi boots as normal after being unpowered for 5 minutes which is way longer than before.

I haven't tried many reboots just yet, but this did fail every time before updating to the latest firmware. So I am hopeful that this is solved.

Anyone know how to check the faulty card?

Thanks for the help everyone. I hope the Pi keeps booting as usual...

dom
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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:01 pm

@0xdr01d @Steven Boelens
Hmmm. I wouldn't expect the latest update to be any different when boot_delay=0 is specified.
I did disable some options which saved about 500K on GPU side. Could it have been a memory issue?
What's in your config.txt and what does

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fbset -s
show?

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:05 pm

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[email protected] ~ $ fbset -s

mode "656x416"
    geometry 656 416 656 416 16
    timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/16
endmode
Maybe I should say, both of my PIs run headless :?

My config is completely stock except of:

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arm_freq=1100
sdram_freq=600
over_voltage=6

boot_delay=0

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:13 pm

@dom: My config contains only commented lines besides the option boot_delay=0. I'll try without the boot_delay in the config as well.

Here is my fbset:
$ fbset -s

mode "656x416"
geometry 656 416 656 416 16
timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/16
endmode

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:32 pm

My Pi now also boots fine without the boot_delay setting and with the new firmware from today and with the 240/16 split.

My config now just contains commented lines. And the Pi boots normally.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:55 am

I've already said this in the github issue discussion:

My Rpi now boots fine with 240M split and boot_delay=0. Something else must have fixed it.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:02 pm

Hi all,

Last night I have formatted my 2 gb SD card and written the new 2012-08-08-wheezy-armel.img file downloaded from this site. It all went smooth and I have used the raspi the all night than turned off and wen to bed. Tonight, with my surprise, when I tried to turn on I had only the red light on and a flashing green.

I have already tried the following:

-Unplug all peripherals
-Check monitor for HDMI video in
-Replace power supplier, (from 5V 0.7a to 5V 1.2 a)
-Format the sd card and reinstall the OS

Notting at all, I only have the red led on right now and Notting else happens.

Any ideas? How could this have happened?

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:56 am

My pi now also boots again with the latest firmware and the 240 split.
I didn't add anything to the config.txt.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:37 pm

[drupopuppis]
Have you tried to unpower the Pi only shortly? Mine would do the same after longer periods being unpowered. If I then removed power (when in the error-state) and then reconnected the power within a second or three the Pi would boot normally.

This problem was resolved using the firmware update from the 16-th (or later I assume).

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:29 pm

Steven Boelens wrote:[drupopuppis]
Have you tried to unpower the Pi only shortly? Mine would do the same after longer periods being unpowered. If I then removed power (when in the error-state) and then reconnected the power within a second or three the Pi would boot normally.

This problem was resolved using the firmware update from the 16-th (or later I assume).
Hi Steven, I have purchased another SD card and after burning a new image, (actually I have reverted back to the old one dated in June), I have now successfully boot the PI. However, every now and then there is a "frostbite", .....the next time I will try your way and see if I can get past the freezing time quickly.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:42 am

I have a similair issue,

Formatted SD card with 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.zip, boots first time, then if I reboot/power cycle etc it fails until I replace start.elf with a fresh version. If I dont do that I just get 6 flashes. have tried the boot_delay=1 suggestion but it makes no difference :-(

Before reading this thread, I tried:

Downloading raspbian again, SHA checksum was correct on both downloads
Booting with nothing connected
Booting with just ethernet
Booting with just composite
Booting with just HDMI
RaspBMC on the same card - Works fine including reboots

TIA,

Bill

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:00 pm

I had the same experience. In my case I got red light, no blinking green - nothing after running rpi-update.

I don't have a root cause yet but the symptom was that I had no loader.bin. I replaced that from a working rasbpi and it booted as expected.

I would suggest that having an sd card reader is probably a necessity for doing anything beyond "imaging card, messing around."

Also, after playing with my rasbpi for a few days, it's clear to me that I prefer a very small sdcard with nothing but a boot partition and my root on USB key. that gives me more storage and more portability as well as access to my root partition if something should go wrong and I can reimage the sdcard without losing my work.
No good deed goes unpunished.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:53 am

Hello,

Raspberry Pi fails to start my more. I Red LED lit and the green LED will flash 3 or 4 times. So I have a problem with loader.bin. I reformatted my sd card and even tried other sd card but I still have the same problem. When the problem happened I was in Openelec am and is restarting the Raspberry Pi restarts more. I even tried with 9.18.2012-wheezy-raspbian.zip but still same problem. I hope someone can help me.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:37 am

I am having the very same issue :(.
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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:40 pm

Cool, thank you for your informations! :mrgreen:

I copied the start.elf file from the latest firmware to SD, and this step solved the boot problem. :!: :D

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Re: rpi-update, now no longer boots

Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:19 am

I had the same problem. Green light blinking.
When I change power adapter, pi working great.

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