beakersoft
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PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:31 pm

Hi,

I've designed an add on board for the pi, and i would like to get a couple of PCB's manufactured based on the design. Its a pretty simple design, at the moment it is just running of a breadboard but I would like to get a PCB of it built.

I've had a look round and some of the prototyping services are more expensive than i thought they might be. Probably the cheapest one is offered by ExpressPCB but as they are based in the States the shipping is quite high. Anyone any ideas where i can get them at a similar price but in the uk?

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:00 pm

a few UK/European ones you can try are:

http://quick-teck.co.uk/index.php
http://www.multi-circuit-boards.eu/
http://www.spiritcircuits.com/

others you can look at are:

pcb-pool
pcb-cart
pcb-express

and if you can wait a couple of weeks try for really good prices:

http://www.seeedstudio.com
http://iteadstudio.com/

what does your board do?
Tony

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:44 am

There's a thread on this subject at element14: http://www.element14.com/community/mess ... low-volume

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:03 pm

Thanks for the info, i'll do some research and see what is the most competitive, i really would prefer to use a UK based operation but i doubt they will be the cheapest.

The board is a 1-wire interface for plugging sensors into an RJ45 jack

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Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:13 pm

Might it be worth printing the circuit boards yourself? You can get cheap kits that let you print onto special paper which then allows you to make your own quite good circuit boards. It might be worth a shot if you do just need several.

Something like this ... http://mobile.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=17352 ?

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:18 pm

beakersoft wrote:..
The board is a 1-wire interface for plugging sensors into an RJ45 jack
Sounds like a cool project. What sort of sensors are you planning to interface?
Tony

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Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:27 pm

I've just placed an order with http://www.seeedstudio.com. Hopefully in two weeks time I'll find out how well I understand the PCB layout and design process!

I looked at various other companies but they were so expensive the boards weren't worth making.
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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Tue Oct 02, 2012 1:28 pm

@tony at the moment i've just built a couple of temperature sensors, the idea being that they can be used over normal office flood wiring so that one pi unit can monitor a few different locations. I am going to look at humidity and maybe water sensors as well

@MattHawkinsUK out of interest how much did the boards cost unit including shipping?

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Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:54 am

FWIW: I've had some boards made up using http://www.pcbpanel.co.uk/Home.html 100% UK based.

They take one design and put as many copies of it as will fit on a single panel and charge a set price per panel. I got 3 of my little ladder boards on their smallest panel. (£70 + vat & P&P)

It is strictly a prototyping service and thus costs more, but it's a 1-week turnaround. They do have a bulk service, but the quote I had from them recently was not competitive. (over £3 a board for 100 boards!)

I've a bulk order in with http://www.quick-teck.co.uk/index.php right now, so I'll see how that goes. They're UK based, but outsource to China, so they handle all the import shenanigans.

It looks like Seeedstudio are one of the cheapest out there - but it means dealing directly with them in Hong Kong, and handling imports, etc. yourself - so be prepared to add on VAT and import duty on their published prices, and take the hit on the bank charges and conversion rates too (They seem to charge in US dollars)

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Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:10 pm

I've used Seeedstudio and others in China a number of times and for the price they are great for short prototype runs. You normally have to pay VAT/Duty at 20% and the ridiculous £8 handling Post Office charge but it does work out cheaper. Only downside is having to wait for a couple or three of weeks :-(

Here's a picture of my last lot of PCB's for Raspberry Pi add-on boards

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:43 pm

http://www.pcbpanel.co.uk looks promising, its a similar price to expresspcb.com but its uk based and the turn around time is quicker. Seeedstudio only seem to offer 100+ batches, that a bit more than i need at the moment!!

I'll finish of my design this week and probably use pcbpanel.co.uk.

Thanks for all the pointers! :)

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Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:26 pm

TonyD wrote:I've used Seeedstudio and others in China a number of times and for the price they are great for short prototype runs. You normally have to pay VAT/Duty at 20% and the ridiculous £8 handling Post Office charge but it does work out cheaper. Only downside is having to wait for a couple or three of weeks :-(

Here's a picture of my last lot of PCB's for Raspberry Pi add-on boards

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Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:47 pm

For ten 40x50mm boards the price was £8.80. Will have to see if I have to pay anything on top or whether my "gift" will arrive untouched.
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Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:31 pm

just found the prototyping bit on the seedstudio website now, not sure how i missed it before. It does seem very reasonable, might just be a bit of pot luck if you get them without an silly post office or inland revenue charges!

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:42 pm

[email protected] wrote: Ah, of-course, Mr Mini piio board man: 2+2 = doh ;-)

The man behind: https://projects.drogon.net/dtronixs-mini-piio/

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:54 pm

MattHawkinsUK wrote:For ten 40x50mm boards the price was £8.80. Will have to see if I have to pay anything on top or whether my "gift" will arrive untouched.
It's under the threshold of £15 so no import VAT (or customs duty) is payable.

Out of interest - what were the boards?

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Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:12 pm

Out of interest - what were the boards?
They are some prototypes for an idea I had for a simple add-on board. The idea being that lots of the available add-ons out there are too complicated and/or expensive. Not that there is anything wrong with what's out there just some beginners may be put off if they see too much they don't quite feel comfortable with.

I wanted to try something really simple that would get someone to the "hello world" moment of GPIO interfacing in the shortest amount of time. Without investing lots of time and expense. Also something that a teacher could quickly build a lesson plan around without having to assemble lots of more complicated boards.

As soon as I've assembled one and tested it works with some example Python code I'll publish some more details.

If the boards turn out ok I will be using Seeedstudio to create the PCB for my main Pi project. But that's another story :-)
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Wed May 08, 2013 12:40 pm

Prices seem cheap now from this thread and another one:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 08#p302208 down to $13 for 10 boards

- how easy is it to go from a stripboard project to a pcb ?

I have done plenty of stripboard /veroboard projects, but don't really know where to start on pcb design;

Are there templates to start with, especially for pi based boards ?
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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Wed May 08, 2013 2:13 pm

mikerr wrote:Prices seem cheap now from this thread and another one:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 08#p302208 down to $13 for 10 boards

- how easy is it to go from a stripboard project to a pcb ?

I have done plenty of stripboard /veroboard projects, but don't really know where to start on pcb design;

Are there templates to start with, especially for pi based boards ?
For the absolute pcb beginner who wants to move along from stripboard but is a bit daunted by home etching, or having to learn a complex CAD package like Eagle in order to send a PCB design to a 3rd party manufacturer then I've heard that Fritzing is worth a look:

http://fritzing.org/
Fritzing is an open-source hardware initiative to support designers, artists, researchers and hobbyists to work creatively with interactive electronics. We are creating a software tool, a community website and services in the spirit of Processing and Arduino, fostering an ecosystem that allows users to document their prototypes, share them with others, teach electronics in a classroom, and layout and manufacture professional pcbs.
*Disclaimer* I've not used it myself (nor do I have any affiliation), but I've just had a snoop round the site and downloaded the application. While there are cheaper ways to get a PCB made (a homebrew Arduino shield will cost €29 plus the usual, according to their site shop at http://fab.fritzing.org/fritzing-fab), it might be a technically less painful way to "lose one's cherry", so to speak.

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:40 am

I would recommend you to try out OSH Park if you want great quality. The only problem I have with them is the fact that they are in the USA and I'm in Brazil, which means I have to pay those ridiculous international shipping fees from UPS.

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:44 pm

I use http://aw-som.com/pcb_quote.php for PCB prototyping. Instant quotes, lowest prices I know of and delivery time is amazing. usually about a week!

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:05 am

For PCB prototype, I recommend PCB Fabrication packages from NexPCB. If the specification of the board meet their conditions, just place an order, no need to get a complex quotation.

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:06 am

Hello!

For anyone who is looking for PCBs to be manufactured at extremely competitive prices head over to our website www.jrelectronics.co.uk

We offer low priced, very high quality 2 or 4 layer PCBs with short lead times (14 days typical). Check out the website or ZIP your gerber files and send them over to [email protected] and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.

We also have a PCB population service which won't be beaten in price.

Thank you!

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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:40 pm

Hi,
jrelectronics wrote:For anyone who is looking for PCBs to be manufactured at extremely competitive prices
It always help to provide some data for judgment what is "competitive". Can you please post a table with some typical prices ?
For example, boards dimensions 2x5cm, 5x5cm, 5x10cm, two and four layers, quantity of 2, 5 and 25 pcs ?
jrelectronics wrote:We also have a PCB population service which won't be beaten in price.
Brave statement... ;-)


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Re: PCB Manufacturing/Prototype

Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:19 pm

Sure thing!
Our typical price list can be viewed here;


http://jrelectronics.co.uk/pricelist.pdf


Note that each job is priced independently so it is dependent and the actual size of your PCB. We don't round up!

Please also note that boards need to be purchased in multiples of three and the price is the price for the total quantity, not per board!

Thank you!

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