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Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:35 am

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:25 am

That is totally awesome.

And I happen to have a lens and tripod hanging around that did not know they were waiting for this.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:35 am

Even more interesting is you can get autofocus lenses. Though there would be difficulties doing this.
There would need to be an interface for the gpio. So perhaps an autofocus HAT ?

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:36 am

The telescope and microscope folks are going to be very happy with this one. The interchangeable lenses are a massive improvement. We just need the adapters for things like the Nikon F-mount and Canon FD & EF mounts to appear. (Canon FD would suit me, I've a few lenses for my old wet film AE1 & A1 cameras.)

This is clearly one of the "we're busy with other stuff" projects that JamesH kept mentioning in the tedious USB Boot noise thread.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:39 am

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This is clearly one of the "we're busy with other stuff" projects that JamesH kept mentioning in the tedious USB Boot noise thread.
Yup. One of them....

Taken a long time to get this one out - problems with getting good quality mount work took a long time to sort out! The guy running the project was quite stressed at some points! Still, it's here now! Enjoy!
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:40 am

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:36 am
The interchangeable lenses are a massive improvement. We just need the adapters for things like the Nikon F-mount
There seem to be some around for Nikon F (that's the only one I'm interested in)
e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AUKE1BY/ ... _lig_dp_it

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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:00 am

This is great. My 17.5" Dob will be very happy. My wife, not so much.
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:33 am

Have a look on Ebay or Amazon for mount adapters. I've just found adapters to
- Canon FD
- Canon EF (EOS?)
- Canon CFD
- Nikon (a couple of code letter options)
- Fujifilm
and there are adapters down to M12 S-mount lenses if you want to go that way too.

You do need to check for C vs CS mounts - there's 5mm difference in the distance between the lens and sensor, and it's sometimes a case of experimentation with and without the adapter ring.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:56 am

also good for school microscopes. it can replace the expensive heads that are used to clamp on to eye pieces, though 'streaming' quality may be a set back from say a ZeroW.
or visualizers.
and of course telescopes.

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:09 am

Documentation already updated:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

raspistill/raspivid modes table added for HQ camera as well:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /camera.md
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4th link from initial posting
https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products ... _Flyer.pdf
says "1080p @240 frame/s".

Will that be available for raspivid as well?
How many MIPI lanes connect HQ camera and the PI?
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:10 am

Did this new camera require new driver/rapistill and such software.

My heretical question is: Will it work with an Nvidia Jetson Nano? The Nano can currently use the V2 camera.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:22 am

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:39 am
Taken a long time to get this one out …
Yep: the photo of the mount says “© 2018 …”. But worth the wait to do it right.

Wish I'd kept my Leica lenses, but all gone in the move to digital years ago. I know there are Pentax K-mount to C adapters, so the fast, sharp bottle that is my SMC Pentax 50 mm f/1.4 can get an airing again.

It'll be fun to see what the astrophotogs do with it. If you think you've seen cooling from the overclocking crowd, that's where the astro types start.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:25 am

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4th link from initial posting
https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products ... _Flyer.pdf
says "1080p @240 frame/s".

Will that be available for raspivid as well?
How many MIPI lanes connect HQ camera and the PI?
2 lanes - we can't magic up extra pins on the camera connector fitted to the Pi. Only the CM on CAM1 has all four lanes wired out.

The ISP is limited to around 120MPix/s, so that's 1080p60 max. And the codec block is only designed for 1080p30, but can generally be overclocked to 1080p50 or poss 1080p60.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:26 am

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Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:10 am
Did this new camera require new driver/rapistill and such software.
The firmware has supported it for 18 months - it really has been the mechanicals that has held this up.
Heater wrote:My heretical question is: Will it work with an Nvidia Jetson Nano? The Nano can currently use the V2 camera.
If you can find a suitable driver, then there is no reason for it not to work.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:29 am

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It'll be fun to see what the astrophotogs do with it. If you think you've seen cooling from the overclocking crowd, that's where the astro types start.
IIRC Naush was playing around with very long exposure times off this sensor in terms of minutes. Whether that works immediately I couldn't say - seeing as exposure times are in usecs, I'd worry about an overflow somewhere.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:31 am

Heater wrote:
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Did this new camera require new driver/rapistill and such software.

My heretical question is: Will it work with an Nvidia Jetson Nano? The Nano can currently use the V2 camera.
When using FKMS or legacy you are still using the firmware camera drivers, so yes, this required work in the firmware to support the new camera. It's actually been in there for a couple of years...I *think* mainline lInux also has drivers for the IMX477 when using the CSI-2 peripheral from ARM space. I think we have tested that, 6byy9 would be able to explain more.

Raspistill etc needed no changes AFAIAA, as it was written to support whatever it is told about by the firmware.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:32 am

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scruss wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:22 am
It'll be fun to see what the astrophotogs do with it. If you think you've seen cooling from the overclocking crowd, that's where the astro types start.
IIRC Naush was playing around with very long exposure times off this sensor in terms of minutes. Whether that works immediately I couldn't say - seeing as exposure times are in usecs, I'd worry about an overflow somewhere.
He told me yesterday is should be able to do 200s, l so that's what I put in the docs. I presume he has tested it!!
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:37 am

This. Is. Awesome.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:56 am

Wow this is great news. [Mod: Deleted off topic nonsense]

Edit: I really like this videomode, full sensor used and up to 120fps, perfect for my application.
4 1012x760 4:3 50.1-120fps Partial 4x4
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:18 am

DougieLawson wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:36 am
The telescope and microscope folks are going to be very happy with this one. The interchangeable lenses are a massive improvement. We just need the adapters for things like the Nikon F-mount and Canon FD & EF mounts to appear. (Canon FD would suit me, I've a few lenses for my old wet film AE1 & A1 cameras.)

This is clearly one of the "we're busy with other stuff" projects that JamesH kept mentioning in the tedious USB Boot noise thread.
Yes great news. Canon fd adaptor would be good. :D

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fotodiox-Pro-A ... B00AUKDUTS

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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:49 am

Hopefully the pi camera python API gets updated and has a lot of bug fixes taken care of along the way. It seems to be the only way of building camera functionality into a real application that isn't incredibly laborious!

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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:06 pm

CasioJones wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:35 am
Even more interesting is you can get autofocus lenses. Though there would be difficulties doing this.
There would need to be an interface for the gpio. So perhaps an autofocus HAT ?
That would be clever.

Well done to RPF/RPT for another interesting addition to the product line.

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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:08 pm

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2 lanes - we can't magic up extra pins on the camera connector fitted to the Pi. Only the CM on CAM1 has all four lanes wired out.

The ISP is limited to around 120MPix/s, so that's 1080p60 max. And the codec block is only designed for 1080p30, but can generally be overclocked to 1080p50 or poss 1080p60.
So it sounds that volunteers are needed to capture I2C traffic from Pi to new HQ camera as basis for new imx477_modes.h for raspiraw?
https://github.com/6by9/raspiraw

Fastest mode for v1+v2 cameras was mode7 640x480@[90/120]fps, fastest mode for HQ camera is mode4 1016x760@120fps.
v1 camera was able to do factor 543/90=6 framerate for 640x80 (1/6th vertical resolution).
v2 camera was able to do factor 968/120=8 framerate for 640x80 (1/6th vertical resolution).
Maybe HQ camera will be able to capture at 6*120=720fps framerate for 1012x(760/6)=1012x128 with raspiraw?!?
If that would be true, it would be interesting if 1016x64 would be capped at 1007fps as well as for v2 camera, or not ...

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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:10 pm

Paul Webster wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:06 pm
CasioJones wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:35 am
Even more interesting is you can get autofocus lenses. Though there would be difficulties doing this.
There would need to be an interface for the gpio. So perhaps an autofocus HAT ?
That would be clever.

Well done to RPF/RPT for another interesting addition to the product line.
Miraculous in fact. There's no connection for auto focus AFAIK.
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Re: Raspberry Pi High Quality Camera Launched !

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:11 pm

dan s wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:49 am
Hopefully the pi camera python API gets updated and has a lot of bug fixes taken care of along the way. It seems to be the only way of building camera functionality into a real application that isn't incredibly laborious!
That Python API was not written by us, so we are fairly unfamiliar with it for fixing purposes. Waveform is the guy to talk to about it. I presume there is a github issues tracker somewhere..
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