johhnylatey wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:59 pm
jamesh wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:50 pm
johhnylatey wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:17 pm
OP, you are wasting time and effort in a pointless exercise. This forum is flooded with rabid fanbois that would shame even the saddest iPhone queue-waiting disciple of the Jobs era.
The excuses are never ending and the avoidance tactics and user blaming is also sky high.
The Pi4 is a great machine with one of the worst OS's I've seen. Currently battling xscreensaver: It likes to loks the machine, it likes to ask for the password twice, it likes to ignore the setting in config. It's just a royal pain in the arse.
When I discovered that Raspbian was 32-bit I could not believe it. And then for the Pi faithful to chorus "You don't need it" or the Foundation to say "Sorry, we haven't got enough people - so tough - and we have to support older systems... blah, blah blah.
The number of posts Ive seen from buyers of the Pi4 that have realised that they have bought a mutton dressed as lamb is shocking. You won't see many of their posts here though, cause most of them are deleted, banned or ridiculed.
Pi 1-3 were great. 4 is a joke of a desktop computer and don't let any backroom boy tell you other. Do as many have, dump it and get an x86-based one. I have and it wasn't really much more than the 4G Pi4. It runs Mint... end of story.
7 posts and this. Wow. Not going to delete this one, to simply prove that NO we don't delete posts like this. You have to be a real A-hole to get a post deleted, you are just an amateur.
So to deal with your points;
Worst OS. It's basically Debian with a few changes (which make no real difference to the experience of the OS itself), so basically you are saying Debian is the worst OS ever. That's clearly nonsense.
You have problems with xscreensaver. Is that a problem with xscreensaver, or Raspbian? Have you asked for help on here, or posted a github issue? EDIT: Ah, I see you have posted on here, and yet never went back to the post which did have some suggestions to help you. I'm afraid that's your problem not ours.
32bit - well, the arguments for that go back years. You are a bit late to the party, asare most people who think rants like this are worth writing. The arguments are well known, performance of 64 isn't that much better, the support burden for two systems is beyond what we have staff for, and backwards compatibility to other devices. All perfectly valid reasons; you might not think so but you would be wrong. Because, wouldn't we have actually done an 64bit distribution if it was easy? And of course, we are now working towards one, carefully, because it's important to get it right.
We've sold over a millions Pi4, many used as desktops, so again, you are talking rubbish. Some people may well have bought one as a desktop, and found it wasn't powerful enough for their particular task, but right now we cannot make the things fast enough, so clearly a LOT of people are getting on fine. Glad you found a x86 machine to do your desktop work, does that mean you'll not be back, because that would be great. Please donate you Pi to somewhere like a school.
Basically, your entire post is a useless rant, with so many disprovable statements it's laughable. Do you actually know anything about the subject in hand? No, clearly not.
So, would it have been better to just delete your post?
Do it. Delete my complaints as you have the countless others. Call me a spammer all you like, but I am a disgruntled customer who has received appalling customer service.
Yeah, I came back. Gave you one last chance with the OS, but no. I can't even get a stable screensaver!!!!! Even the chap who wrote it has bad-mouthed Debian.
"Glad you found a x86 machine to do your desktop work, does that mean you'll not be back, because that would be great,."
Another fine example of customer service. Look through my posts. I took time and effort to detail many of the faults with the steaming pile that is Raspbian and no concrete answers where forthcoming, cause you don't have the answers.
I must confess, you have achieved quite a feat: You have most of the work done by the users. Almost like, kinda, I dunno ... Beta level. Yes, you launched a product that barely worked as desktop - Chromium is still pants despite you best efforts - though you did fix the loop between fullscreen and windowed, but come on...
I don't care. I just want to warn others not to b taken in by your BS marketing.
You haven't even got a screensaver working. I shouldn't need support on such a basic thing.
"Basically, your entire post is a useless rant, with so many disprovable statements it's laughable. Do you actually know anything about the subject in hand? No, clearly not."
I do know quite a bit about OS's and especially the GUI part having worked in that part of the industry for neigh on 25 years now - including work that had an audience of 300 million. But this isn't about me - it's you.
The rant isn't useless if 1 potential customer reads it and it makes them think twice. Disprove what I have written then. Send forth your best deniers and fanbois and we shall truly battle. I await...
Goodbye. Had a chance to be constructive, failed.
Oh, and in reference the xscreensaver - not installed by default, not a piece of software we wrote. So what has it to do with us? You didn't even bother to respond in a thread YOU started when people tried to help you. So, forgive me if I seem not to care, but it's a two way street. EDIT: Because it seems I do actually care, I've just checked xscreensaver, both in fkms and legacy graphics mode, and all seems to be perfectly fine on my 4GB Pi4. sudo apt install xscreensaver, then set it up from the Preferences menu. There may of course be some way of setting it up that breaks something - if anyone find one, let us know here.
I have banned this user, it's all very well being constructively critical, but I draw the line at being a dick with it.
So, to all those people this idiot is trying to talk to, please consider he is just one person (albeit one with an over exaggerated sense of self importance), and we have sold over a million Pi4, and over 28M Pi's in total. And we continue to sell at a very high rate. So, think to yourself, is this one person right, or are the millions right?
And just one final point to readers. The Pi might not be for you! Really! Check the specs, make sure it does what you want before buying. For many, it'll be fine, for many, it won't suit, after all, you cannot expect a $35-$55 to perform like a $500 desktop. Use Google, ask questions, here and elsewhere before you buy. If you do get one, that's great. If you have problems, ask here for help, that's what we are here for!
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