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Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 12:28 pm

Hi, does anybody know what
The MagPi
is wrapped in?

The plastic wrapping bag, what type of plastic is it?

I just want to make sure it goes in the right recycling bin.

Thanks loads
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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm

If it looks like plastic, feels like plastic, smells like plastic, it's probably plastic. Put it in the plastic bin.

On the other hand, do you know where your carefully sorted trash goes?

In many places it passes through the money raking "recycling" businesses and, after they have got you to do the sorting wok for them, ends up in the same land fill anyway.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:43 pm

Heater wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm
In many places it passes through the money raking "recycling" businesses and, after they have got you to do the sorting wok for them, ends up in the same land fill anyway.
With that mindset, your oceans will be full of plastics within your lifetime.
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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:46 pm

It felt thin, flexible polythene so went it the landfil bin for us, as usual. Most thin wrappers cannot be recycled (and our county has the highest rate and easy recycling)

National Trust and English Heritage have moved to the home compostable plastic wrappers.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:43 pm
Heater wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm
In many places it passes through the money raking "recycling" businesses and, after they have got you to do the sorting wok for them, ends up in the same land fill anyway.
With that mindset, your oceans will be full of plastics within your lifetime.
The ocean is not full of plastic because people use plastic if they dispose of it properly.
It's full because people just chuck it on the floor, leave it on the beach, let it fly around or flush it down the sink/toilet etc.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm

That's a thought.... Why not make the wrapping out of paper? Would be more eco-friendly..
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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:49 pm

bensimmo wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm
The ocean is not full of plastic because people use plastic if they dispose of it properly.
It's full because people just chuck it on the floor, leave it on the beach, let it fly around or flush it down the sink/toilet etc.
When landfills get too full, trucks (I am not saying in the UK) dump it in the sea.
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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Fri May 31, 2019 7:53 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:49 pm
bensimmo wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm
The ocean is not full of plastic because people use plastic if they dispose of it properly.
It's full because people just chuck it on the floor, leave it on the beach, let it fly around or flush it down the sink/toilet etc.
When landfills get too full, trucks (I am not saying in the UK) dump it in the sea.
As long as they hide it under the nuclear waste, then it should be fine ;-)

Anyway, once Space-X branches out we can just aim it at the sun.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:43 am

Heater wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm
If it looks like plastic, feels like plastic, smells like plastic, it's probably plastic. Put it in the plastic bin.
Yes, but which plastic? LDPE? HDPE? PP?

At Sutton they have a green bin for cardboard and paper and a small box for bottls and foil.
Round Ascot way, the blue recycling bin accepts HDPE (no. 2) milk bottles and PET (no.1) drinks bottles, as well as aluminium foil, steel cans, paper. What they do with it no-one will tell us.

Carrier bags, bread wrappers and magazine wrappers get given to Tesco. PineRidge Dog Sanctuary gets the Telegraph broadsheet sections, to use as bedding.
DarkPlatinum wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:49 pm
When landfills get too full, trucks (I am not saying in the UK) dump it in the sea.
Interesting to note: China and other Far East countries are beginning to return our plastic that we sent them to recycle.

So my idea is that we should load all our plastic into containers and put them on ships to send them to the Philipines. When they get there, they're turned round and sent back, so when they get here we should just send them off again.

Pretty soon we'll run out of container ships to do that round trip, so we will need to build more, supporting the Belfast ship-building industry and British Steel.

Until the oceans get full of container ships carrying plastic, and someone will come up with a way of burning plastic in the ships' engines, saving fossil fuel.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:32 am

Burngate wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:43 am
Pretty soon we'll run out of container ships to do that round trip, so we will need to build more, supporting the Belfast ship-building industry and British Steel.

Until the oceans get full of container ships carrying plastic, and someone will come up with a way of burning plastic in the ships' engines, saving fossil fuel.
Build new container ships from the recycled plastic.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:23 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:43 pm
Heater wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm
In many places it passes through the money raking "recycling" businesses and, after they have got you to do the sorting wok for them, ends up in the same land fill anyway.
With that mindset, your oceans will be full of plastics within your lifetime.
Unfortunately that is too often the reality of what actually happens.
Heater wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:18 pm
If it looks like plastic, feels like plastic, smells like plastic, it's probably plastic. Put it in the plastic bin.
And that is one of the reasons we have the 'plastics in the ocean' disaster we have, overseas places which are little more than rubbish mountains.

The view that "plastic is plastic is plastic" sees it all get lumped together, bundled up regardless. Those bundles are sent overseas for recycling, where the recipients find it cannot actually be recycled 'as is' and it's not cost-effective to sort out what can be and cannot. It all just languishes until it gets dispersed, pushed into the sea, nearby river, or hole in the ground.

I have heard people blame Asian countries entirely for this eco-disaster, "90% of plastics in the ocean comes from Asian countries", completely ignoring the fact that most of that plastic waste originated in the west, that what we are dumping on them is not what we said we would be sending them.

Our "dump it on others and it becomes their problem to deal with" is convenient, but was misguided from the start. As recipients are now refusing to be dumped on that looks set to come to an end pretty soon. We will have to deal with our waste properly, as we should have been doing all along.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:34 pm

Burngate wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:43 am
Interesting to note: China and other Far East countries are beginning to return our plastic that we sent them to recycle.
It is more correct to say they are rejecting what we said would be recyclable but actually isn't.

They agreed to recycle our plastics but we have been sending them stuff which is not actually recyclable.

We won't pay for them to sort out what is recyclable and what isn't and, sick of the growing plastic waste mountains in their countries, finding themselves stuck with non-recyclable plastic we are effectively dumping on them, they are simply refusing to accept any more, sending back that which isn't what we said we would be sending them.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:43 pm

DarkPlatinum wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm
That's a thought.... Why not make the wrapping out of paper? Would be more eco-friendly..
If we are talking plastic wrapping for postal deliveries, it's because Royal Mail ( and probably others ) have reduced magazine and book rates. That requires magazines to be in see-through wrapping so they can be seen to be legitimate items for those rates.

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Re: Magazine Wrapping

Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:34 pm

bensimmo wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:46 pm
National Trust and English Heritage have moved to the home compostable plastic wrappers.
and the packaging of extras in Guardian on Saturday ... and, from this month, Wired UK is experimenting with it.

"Dear [Wired UK] Subscriber,

You should be receiving your copy of the July/August edition in the coming days.

It will be delivered in a compostable bag as part of our effort to reduce harmful waste. Before we commit to progress with one wrapping solution beyond this test, we would like your feedback."

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