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It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:05 am

I now have a CM3L mounted in a WD SATA Adapter that boots directly from the attached 60GB SSD. No SD card, no eMMC flashing needed. It's running a fully dist-upgraded Raspbian. No special branches need to be kept track of. I just wish the SATA Adapter had more than 2 USB ports, or that it had an Ethernet port built in to go with the 2 USB ports it has.

nixy82
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:32 am

Was that done by doing this :

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... des/msd.md

Presumably that means you can also get the CM3 running the same way if you blank out the eMMC after running?

Does that mean you can boot Windows 10 IOT?

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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:44 am

nixy82 wrote:Was that done by doing this :

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... des/msd.md

Presumably that means you can also get the CM3 running the same way if you blank out the eMMC after running?

Does that mean you can boot Windows 10 IOT?
The Compute Module CM3 is not a supported Platform for Windows 10 IoT Core: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/w ... iceoptions
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:18 am

Appreciate the reply, but I'm still not 100% convinced about the non-CM3 for W10 IOT.

W10 Driver issues aside for a moment, just talking about the basic "can we get it to boot W10"

As far as I can see the CM3L /should/ be able to boot IOT as it provides the >=8GB storage capacity natively

If I can get a CM3 (standard) it to boot noobs I can run through the below and see if it installs and runs.using a USB-SD card interface on my setup

https://jeremylindsayni.wordpress.com/2 ... y-success/

From what I can see though, running that program_usb_boot_mode=1 option once (and then removing) appears to kill the use of rpiboot to mount the eMMC flash... :cry:

Hey ho.

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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:40 am

nixy82 wrote:Appreciate the reply, but I'm still not 100% convinced about the non-CM3 for W10 IOT.

W10 Driver issues aside for a moment, just talking about the basic "can we get it to boot W10"

As far as I can see the CM3L /should/ be able to boot IOT as it provides the >=8GB storage capacity natively

If I can get a CM3 (standard) it to boot noobs I can run through the below and see if it installs and runs.using a USB-SD card interface on my setup

https://jeremylindsayni.wordpress.com/2 ... y-success/

From what I can see though, running that program_usb_boot_mode=1 option once (and then removing) appears to kill the use of rpiboot to mount the eMMC flash... :cry:

Hey ho.
I may be wrong but W10IoT Core does not have the latest kernel / firmware to support CM3 !!
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:58 am

fruitoftheloom wrote: I may be wrong but W10IoT Core does not have the latest kernel / firmware to support CM3 !!
Seriously?

Do you know if that is a bootcode.bin etc from /boot problem (i.e. something that can be transplanted) or some Windows 10 IOT code specific issue ?

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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:09 am

nixy82 wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote: I may be wrong but W10IoT Core does not have the latest kernel / firmware to support CM3 !!
Seriously?

Do you know if that is a bootcode.bin etc from /boot problem (i.e. something that can be transplanted) or some Windows 10 IOT code specific issue ?
Only Microsoft could answer, it is their product:

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forum ... WindowsIoT
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:13 am

fruitoftheloom wrote: Only Microsoft could answer, it is their product:

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forum ... WindowsIoT

Thanks, appreciate the insight given.

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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:18 am

nixy82 wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote: Only Microsoft could answer, it is their product:

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forum ... WindowsIoT

Thanks, appreciate the insight given.
viewtopic.php?t=168593
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:50 am

fruitoftheloom wrote: viewtopic.php?t=168593
Interesting thread!

I did do a search on that MS forum you linked to which gave this post with some recent updates :

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forum ... WindowsIoT

A poster there has it kind of booting, although that issue may be related to the problem which has a cause/fix at the end of the very long thread here https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forum ... WindowsIoT

All in all it's not looking good is it. I'm really surprised no-one at MS has taken the baton on this given the nature of the OS.

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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:00 pm

nixy82 wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote: viewtopic.php?t=168593
Interesting thread!

I did do a search on that MS forum you linked to which gave this post with some recent updates :

https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forum ... WindowsIoT

A poster there has it kind of booting, although that issue may be related to the problem which has a cause/fix at the end of the very long thread here https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forum ... WindowsIoT

All in all it's not looking good is it. I'm really surprised no-one at MS has taken the baton on this given the nature of the OS.
Well all I will say is after 2 years one would of hoped MS would of sorted this IoT OS :o
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Re: It Lives! CM3L MSD boot

Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:58 pm

nixy82 wrote:Was that done by doing this :

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... des/msd.md

Presumably that means you can also get the CM3 running the same way if you blank out the eMMC after running?

Does that mean you can boot Windows 10 IOT?
I did it using those directions, but not exactly following them. To begin with, I had a CM1 running in the SATA Adapter with both partition (boot and root) on the SSD, with the SSD boot partition not being actually used. The CM1 used a boot partition in eMMC and root on the SSD. So after doing an update/upgrade cycle, I copied the eMMC boot partition to the one on the SSD.

In addition, it edited the config.txt file on an SD card just using "sudo vi /boot/config.txt" rather than the sed command. Likewise, on the SSD I verified the correct fstab using vi rather than sed.

It's a good guide though.

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