Raspbmc has been suffering a DDOS attack over the last couple of days, but it's up and running today. I installed it on my Pi. The worst part was obeying the "Formatting SD card partitions, please be patient." On an 8 Gig card that took the best part of an hour and I darn nearly gave up, thinking it had crashed.BigJeffIE wrote:Raspbmc installed successfully!!!!! Yeeesssssss!!!!! 12 hours, soooo much bad food and 3 headaches later and it's working...
Pi I knew you could do it!!!!
All is forgiven
Has it been marketed as a simple device? I'm not sure it has - it's been marketed as a device who's primary purpose is for teaching people about programming and computers. Which isn't simple. Yes, we do says it's a capable little PC - but PC's are not simple either.speculatrix wrote:Comparing the ease of getting a simple Basic program running on an 8-bit micro with the complexity of a GUI-running Linux platform isn't exactly reasonable, is it?
A more reasonable comparison would be to compare it with using a ready-made and relatively stable distro, such as Debian, and running a few simple Python programs.
I think the Pi may suffer a slight backlash from the way it's been marketed as a simple device for people who've never even heard of 'Hello world'. But then it has the capability to take them much further than those 8-bit boxes ever could. Have you tried installing a GUI-based media player on a BBC Micro? Thought not...
I think the implication is quite clear. It's a small, cheap device attempting to evoke those heady days of 8-bit when people got their first introduction to the mysteries of computers. As computers have become commodities, people have become more distanced from what makes them work and so that demystification is needed again. I like the idea that the Pi will get people - and especially kids - to think about what goes on inside, and to that end selling them a board without a fancy casing etc is a good way of driving this home. However, as we're seeing, there are dangers here, too.jamesh wrote:Has it been marketed as a simple device? I'm not sure it has - it's been marketed as a device who's primary purpose is for teaching people about programming and computers.
See the comments about "energy barrier" Eben has made in various talks. And the fact that *no matter* what a kid does to the RasPi (apart from plugging it into the wrong voltage), a "blank state" is only a SD-card-rewrite away...speculatrix wrote:If all you wanted to do was introduce kids to programming - and given the ready access so many have to computers already, at home or in school - then a custom-made, software-based programming environment that they could run on any Windows or Mac box would have functioned as well - no hardware required.
Different things "just work" in Linux. For example the apt-get mechanism is incredibly more advanced than anything Microsoft has come up with. With Microsoft you have to download an installer and execute it, and either it comes with every dependency included or you have to chase them down yourself. Linux has multiple consoles and SSH. Some things Windows does better, some things it does worse but more accessibly (Linux never compromises), some devices come with Windows drivers but no Linux drivers. But mostly your problems will be due to the fact that you know Windows inside-out; it seems obvious because you know how it works. There are one or two big gotchas with the RaspPi, WiFi is one, the firewall might be another. On the whole Linux with a capable desktop manager is now usable by Windows users. It is not and never will be administrable by Windows administrators without some degree of retraining. However it is possible, should be and probably will be the case, that the software mix that ships with the educational release of RaspPi will be much easier to administer in every way that its target market will need.BigJeffIE wrote:I'm so used to Microsoft and how most things just work.