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New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:22 am
by Raspberry Pi Micro
Hello,
I'm new to the Raspberry Pi, I will have a good look at the many tutorials and how best to set one up.
I'm looking at buying a Raspberry Pi 4 8GB, is it possible to install Windows 10, if so will this be easy or is it hard to do. I would like to test and run a particular flight simulator on a Raspberry Pi 4 with 8 GB RAM to check and see how this works.
If this is possible to install Windows 10, what size micro SD card should I use, and should I install this flight simulator on the same micro SD card or should I onto an external HD.
I'm a Mac OS user and moved over to the dark side a few years ago, if this is possible to install, will I need to use a Windows machine or will I be able to use my Mac, just for installing Windows on the micro SD card.
Thank you.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:44 am
by jamesh
No. you cannot run Win10 (or any Windows version*) on the PI4.
* There are some people who will say yes, you can run thing like Windows XP, if you run a processor emulator and loads of additional simulation of the Windows API, but the results are on the whole, unusable. TL;DR; No, you cannot do it.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 am
by LTolledo
heed jamesh word on this!
I was once on the "dark side"..... but have "seen the light" since....
there is a flight simulator that being natively run on the RPi.... check out the games section!
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
jamesh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:44 am
No. you cannot run Win10 (or any Windows version*) on the PI4.
* There are some people who will say yes, you can run thing like Windows XP, if you run a processor emulator and loads of additional simulation of the Windows API, but the results are on the whole, unusable. TL;DR; No, you cannot do it.
Thank you for replying, well that's answered that question.
Next question if I may, should I go for the Raspberry P{I 4 8GB, and what operating system should I use, in the past I have used RISC OS, but this is limited I think, or what would be best suited.
What I would like to do if this is possible is run a BBC Micro emulator but not sure what system,, would also like to get into coding using something like python.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:22 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:18 am
heed jamesh word on this!
I was once on the "dark side"..... but have "seen the light" since....
there is a flight simulator that being natively run on the RPi.... check out the games section!
So used to using Mac OS now for a few years, never going back to Windows lol.
What is the flight simulator that is able to run on the RPi, with what operating system, will be interested in looking at this.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:25 pm
by rpiMike
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
by LTolledo
saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIwvaitmt4
for trying to learn python, best install RPiOS on one microSD card
then on another microSD card, you can install RetroPie so you can run BeebEM (as in the video link above)
the flight sim here:
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=260778
best to get another microSD card for that.
for future proof I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:51 pm
by jamesh
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIwvaitmt4
for trying to learn python, best install RPiOS on one microSD card
then on another microSD card, you can install RetroPie so you can run BeebEM (as in the video link above)
the flight sim here:
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=260778
best to get another microSD card for that.
for future proof I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
I'd go for the 4GB version myself. Until the 8GB came out everyone was more than happy with the 4GB, because 4GB is enough for the vast majority of tasks. I've never used an 8GB and I work here!
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:30 pm
by bjtheone
I have both and agree with James, the only task that annoyed the 4GB model was opening way too many browser windows. With the 8 GB model I can be even more entitled with my browsing and research habits. The 4GB is a huge step up from a 3B+. For general desktop stuff, going from 1 GB to 4 GB makes a massive difference, going from 4 GB to 8 GB is not that noticeable.
I would still be tempted to get an 8 GB model if I was doing general purpose stuff, since something new to consume memory always comes along. The price delta is rather small.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:18 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIwvaitmt4
for trying to learn python, best install RPiOS on one microSD card
then on another microSD card, you can install RetroPie so you can run BeebEM (as in the video link above)
the flight sim here:
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=260778
best to get another microSD card for that.
for future proof I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
Running BeebEm on the Raspberry does interest me as I have owned a BBC Micro in the past with 32K memory.
What are the best Micro SD cards to use,
Installing RPiOS on one microSD card, and then installing RetroPie on another card, when you start your RPi4 with the RPiOS on it, how do you get BeebEm to run on the RetroPie card, BeebEm no longer works on Mac OS 64 bit. Which version of BeebEm do I need to download, BeebEm as most will know is stable but not been updated in almost 10 years.
Will also be interested if you would be able to connect a GoTek USB Floppy Emulater to a Pi4.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:31 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
jamesh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:51 pm
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIwvaitmt4
for trying to learn python, best install RPiOS on one microSD card
then on another microSD card, you can install RetroPie so you can run BeebEM (as in the video link above)
the flight sim here:
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=260778
best to get another microSD card for that.
for future proof I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
I'd go for the 4GB version myself. Until the 8GB came out everyone was more than happy with the 4GB, because 4GB is enough for the vast majority of tasks. I've never used an 8GB and I work here!
I'm more than likely to go for the Pi4 8GB model, what else would I need to buy apart from a keyboard, mouse wireless adapter, and HDMI lead which I already have, what be the best type of case to put the Pi4 in and anything else that I may need.
Have found the following places to make my purchases, all looks good as each other.
Pi Hut -
https://thepihut.com
Pimordni -
https://shop.pimoroni.com
Pi Store -
https://magpi.raspberrypi.org
OkDo -
https://www.okdo.com
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:07 pm
by fruitoftheloom
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:31 pm
jamesh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:51 pm
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
saw this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffIwvaitmt4
for trying to learn python, best install RPiOS on one microSD card
then on another microSD card, you can install RetroPie so you can run BeebEM (as in the video link above)
the flight sim here:
viewtopic.php?f=78&t=260778
best to get another microSD card for that.
for future proof I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
I'd go for the 4GB version myself. Until the 8GB came out everyone was more than happy with the 4GB, because 4GB is enough for the vast majority of tasks. I've never used an 8GB and I work here!
I'm more than likely to go for the Pi4 8GB model, what else would I need to buy apart from a keyboard, mouse wireless adapter, and HDMI lead which I already have, what be the best type of case to put the Pi4 in and anything else that I may need.
Have found the following places to make my purchases, all looks good as each other.
Pi Hut -
https://thepihut.com
Pimordni -
https://shop.pimoroni.com
Pi Store -
https://magpi.raspberrypi.org
OkDo -
https://www.okdo.com
Linked of "Buy Now" which are Authorised Resellers:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... 4-model-b/
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:30 pm
by bjtheone
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:31 pm
I'm more than likely to go for the Pi4 8GB model, what else would I need to buy apart from a keyboard, mouse wireless adapter, and HDMI lead which I already have, what be the best type of case to put the Pi4 in and anything else that I may need.
Pi 4B uses a micro HDMI cable, which is not super popular/widely used. No problems finding the cables, I am just surprised you would have one already. You can also get a micro/regular adaptor and use a normal full sized HDMI cable but you need to be a bit careful of size (depending on the case you pick) and likely will not be able to use both video output ports with adaptors.
Personally I am a big fan of the Pimoroni Fan Shims (temperature controlled fan) and go with well vented cases, or just top and bottom plates and standoffs.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:31 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
LTolledo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm
I think its better to get the RPi4 8GB model, as long as your "finance manager" approves
I am that manager.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:36 pm
by W. H. Heydt
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 pm
Next question if I may, should I go for the Raspberry P{I 4 8GB, and what operating system should I use, in the past I have used RISC OS, but this is limited I think, or what would be best suited.
If you have to ask what OS you should run, the answer is Raspberry Pi OS (aka RPiOS or Raspbian).
Bear in mind that running another OS on a Pi is just a shut down, remove power, swap SD card and reboot away. But start with RPiOS.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:54 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
W. H. Heydt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:36 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 pm
Next question if I may, should I go for the Raspberry P{I 4 8GB, and what operating system should I use, in the past I have used RISC OS, but this is limited I think, or what would be best suited.
If you have to ask what OS you should run, the answer is Raspberry Pi OS (aka RPiOS or Raspbian).
Bear in mind that running another OS on a Pi is just a shut down, remove power, swap SD card and reboot away. But start with RPiOS.
How would I get BeebEm BBC Emulator up and running, starting RPiOS then starting RetroPi and starting BeebEm, this is just one thing that I have an interest in.
What type and how big of a microSD card would you suggest to use.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:55 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
With the Raspberry Pi, will this always need to be connected to an electrical supply, or could this be connect to a battery pack, was thinking if you were in a remote location. For example having a camera connected to the Pi.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:12 pm
by bjtheone
Keeping in mind that it was not designed with battery powered applications in mind and is rather power hungry, you certainly can run one off of battery power. Once you define your desired run time and what peripherals you also want along for the ride it is fairly simple to figure out how big a battery you will need. A company sells "laptops" based around the 3B+.
A more typical plan is to embed one with a 7 or 10" lcd and build a portable teeny tiny workstation.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:41 pm
by fruitoftheloom
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:54 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:36 pm
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:20 pm
Next question if I may, should I go for the Raspberry P{I 4 8GB, and what operating system should I use, in the past I have used RISC OS, but this is limited I think, or what would be best suited.
If you have to ask what OS you should run, the answer is Raspberry Pi OS (aka RPiOS or Raspbian).
Bear in mind that running another OS on a Pi is just a shut down, remove power, swap SD card and reboot away. But start with RPiOS.
How would I get BeebEm BBC Emulator up and running, starting RPiOS then starting RetroPi and starting BeebEm, this is just one thing that I have an interest in.
What type and how big of a microSD card would you suggest to use.
Just start with a Retropie install and add the desktop from the menu, Retropie uses Raspbian Buster Lite as its base:
https://retropie.org.uk/
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:35 pm
by Raspberry Pi Micro
Thank you, will take a look at this tomorrow.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:00 am
by Raspberry Pi Micro
What are the best size microSD cards to use, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:01 am
by Raspberry Pi Micro
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:00 am
What are the best size microSD cards to use, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB with the Raspberry Pi.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:28 am
by W. H. Heydt
Raspberry Pi Micro wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:00 am
What are the best size microSD cards to use, 4GB, 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB or 128GB.
I run most of my Pis with 16GB. I have one using a 64GB. Generally, if I think I need more than 32GB, I'll use an SSD.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:50 am
by Raspberry Pi Micro
W. H. Heydt wrote: ↑Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:28 am
I run most of my Pis with 16GB. I have one using a 64GB. Generally, if I think I need more than 32GB, I'll use an SSD.
Thank you.
Re: New to the Raspberry Pi
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:03 am
by Raspberry Pi Micro
I'm looking at trying to get BeebEm, the BBC Micro Emulator up and running on a Pi, after some searching I have found my Pi 3 model B I think, but guessing this will do for now until I buy a Pi 4.
Below is the BeebEm website, which version will I need to download.
http://www.mkw.me.uk/beebem/
I have ordered some microSD cards so should arrive tomorrow, and will setup and install RpiOC and RetroPi on a another, once done how would I do this, start the Pi with RPiOS microSD card in, will I then need to insert the RettoPi card and try and run from there or will I need to re-boot with the RetroPi card in.
Does anyone else have BeebEm up and running.