New to the Raspberry Pi

[davidcoton]

The first commit by Procount on PINN was Mar 24, 2016. That's when NOOBS was stabilised.
RPImager for Mac OSX is https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager.dmg

There is a version of PINN that you can use with Etcher or the Imager.

Seen that this comment was Mar 24, 2106 when NOOBS was stabilised, should I be using instead, or the PINN version that you can use with Etcher, what is Etcher and how do you use this.

What ever I use to install both RISC OS and RPiOS, just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing, taking the right steps.

Now you have Imager installed, you need to download the PINN .img file to put on the SDCard using Imager. "Use Custom" to install it.

You do not need Etcher (Imager does the same job).

[Greg Erskine]

I'm new to the Raspberry Pi, I will have a good look at the many tutorials and how best to set one up.

I'm looking at trying to get BeebEm, the BBC Micro Emulator up and running on a Pi, after some searching I have found my Pi 3 model B I think, but guessing this will do for now until I buy a Pi 4.

Seems contradictory

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

I'm new to the Raspberry Pi, I will have a good look at the many tutorials and how best to set one up.

I'm looking at trying to get BeebEm, the BBC Micro Emulator up and running on a Pi, after some searching I have found my Pi 3 model B I think, but guessing this will do for now until I buy a Pi 4.

Seems contradictory

Not at all, after sorting out a lot of boxes in the attic found my Pi 3, the time that I have had it, I have had very little use out of it, so I still consider myself new, and now that I have a little more time on my hands, would like to learn more,

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Now you have Imager installed, you need to download the PINN .img file to put on the SDCard using Imager. "Use Custom" to install it.

You do not need Etcher (Imager does the same job).

Thank you, I will try this once microSD cards arrive.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

That was quick, microSD cards have arrived, 17 hours after placing the order.

[bensimmo]

Yeah, at the price and speed they can get SD cards to you, it's probably less hassle to buy one than it is to go through all the cards lying around. Takes ages see what they have on them to be reused

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Yeah, at the price and speed they can get SD cards to you, it's probably less hassle to buy one than it is to go through all the cards lying around. Takes ages see what they have on them to be reused

Price and speed for sure, next step will be to try and get RPiOS installed and up and running. Once done then will try and get BeebEm running on RPiOS.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Is there anything else that I need before I attempt to install RPiOS on a microSD card.

[davidcoton]

If you only plan to use RPiOS, then you don't need PINN, and you don't need to download RPiOS in advance (Imager will do that).

If you want more than one OS, you need to download whatever else as an .img file. (Actually, I *think* PINN has a list of links for most available OSs so you don't need to download in advance).

[DougieLawson]

If you want more than one OS, you need to download whatever else as an .img file. (Actually, I *think* PINN has a list of links for most available OSs so you don't need to download in advance).

PINN lite has to be connected to the network or you can't install anything with it.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

If you only plan to use RPiOS, then you don't need PINN, and you don't need to download RPiOS in advance (Imager will do that).

If you want more than one OS, you need to download whatever else as an .img file. (Actually, I *think* PINN has a list of links for most available OSs so you don't need to download in advance).

To start with, was just planning to use RPiOS and RISC OS. I have a good understanding of RISC OS, RPiOS I know nothing about, so will be a learning process for sure.

I may after a period of time look at another OS, but first need to learn what RPiOS is all about.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

If you want more than one OS, you need to download whatever else as an .img file. (Actually, I *think* PINN has a list of links for most available OSs so you don't need to download in advance).

PINN lite has to be connected to the network or you can't install anything with it.

Ok, thank you.

Will attempt to install RPiOS and see what happens.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

If I'm successful in Installing RPiOS, is there a way to take a screenshot of the desktop or a particular window that maybe be open.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Which version of RPiOS should I install.

[DougieLawson]

What does "(recommended)" mean to you?

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

What does "(recommended)" mean to you?

Ok, get your point.

[fruitoftheloom]

If I'm successful in Installing RPiOS, is there a way to take a screenshot of the desktop or a particular window that maybe be open.

CLi Scrot or GUI gnome-screenshot, both are in the Buster repositories.....

[procount]

Thanks for all the PINN commendations
There is a post in my thread about how to install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager -> viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574&start=975#p1638508
It describes how to create a shortcut for use on Windows, but I imagine it would be similar to achieve this on MacOS as well. The important bit is to add the --repo option followed by the given URL.
Once PINN is installed, you can install RiscOS, Raspberry Pi OS and many others directly from the internet to your RPi.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

I have bee successful on installing RPiOS on to the microSD card.

Raspberry Pi Imager v1.3 start up screen.


I have decided to choose the bottom operating system as it looks like there is more on this that may suit my needs.


Next step was selecting the microSD card, this was simple enough to do.



Next step was to click on the write button and then let Raspberry Py Imager v1.3 do it's work.





Next, verifying the microSD card.



Write Successful, microSD card removed.


Next step will be to insert the microSD card into my Pi 3, then see what happens.

Successful installation on the microSD card.


Contents of the boot microSD card.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Thanks for all the PINN commendations
There is a post in my thread about how to install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager -> viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574&start=975#p1638508
It describes how to create a shortcut for use on Windows, but I imagine it would be similar to achieve this on MacOS as well. The important bit is to add the --repo option followed by the given URL.
Once PINN is installed, you can install RiscOS, Raspberry Pi OS and many others directly from the internet to your RPi.

Thank you, I'm in the process of installing RPiOS, and if successful then will attempt to install RISC OS as you have suggested.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

If I'm successful in Installing RPiOS, is there a way to take a screenshot of the desktop or a particular window that maybe be open.

CLi Scrot or GUI gnome-screenshot, both are in the Buster repositories.....

If I'm successful on Installing RPiOS, I will test and try and take a couple of screenshots.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Thanks for all the PINN commendations
There is a post in my thread about how to install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager -> viewtopic.php?f=63&t=142574&start=975#p1638508
It describes how to create a shortcut for use on Windows, but I imagine it would be similar to achieve this on MacOS as well. The important bit is to add the --repo option followed by the given URL.
Once PINN is installed, you can install RiscOS, Raspberry Pi OS and many others directly from the internet to your RPi.

How can you install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager on Mac OS, then to install RISC OS, is this the only way to install RISC OS, or is there another way.

[procount]

How can you install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager on Mac OS, then to install RISC OS, is this the only way to install RISC OS, or is there another way.

Rpi Imager is an OS installer that runs on Windows, Mac or lInux (ie. your existing "PC" computer).
You use it to burn an image file of an OS to an SD card so that you can run it on your Pi.
If you want to install another OS, you need to remove your SD card from the Pi, and reinstall another OS on it using RPI imager on your "PC".

PINN is also an OS installer (amongst other things). But it runs on the Pi itself, not on your "PC".
So you can use RPi Imager on your PC to install PINN onto your SD card like any other OS. When PINN is running on your SD card on the PI, you can use it to download multiple OSes from the internet directly to your SD card without requiring your "PC" (or you can install an OS locally from USB drives).
If you install multiple OSes using PINN, then PINN also becomes a boot manager/os switcher so you can decide which OS to run each time you boot your Pi.

PINN has quite a large catalog of OSes that it can install. You can add other OSes to it yourself, but OSes need a bit of conversion first.
RISCOS is one such OS that it can install, but it is quite an old version. Due to the file format/partitions that RISCOS uses, it is quite special, hence why it has not been updated in a while (needs the help of the original devs to do that). So you can use PINN to run RasPIOS and RISC-OS on the same SD card if you want to (just check which version of RPi this RISCOS can run on first)

However, re-reading your posts, your main requirement seems to be to to run BeebEm, to emulate using the BBC Micro
I would therefore suggest you have a look at https://www.riscosdev.com/direct/
This has probably the most comprehensive & authentic set of BBC Micro emulators on it.
It is not available under PINN, so you would have to burn it direct to your SD card using RPi Imager.

[GlowInTheDark]

How can you install PINN using Raspberry Pi Imager on Mac OS, then to install RISC OS, is this the only way to install RISC OS, or is there another way.

Note: This commentary is not aimed at the poster of the above quote, but rather at that subset of the "regulars" here, who never really understood the point of the NOOBS model.

That said, the above quote represents the total antithesis of what NOOBS (i.e., PINN) is about. The core idea is that you DON"T NEED any "imager" type program to install and use it. All you need is an "unzip" program - something which can be assumed to be obvious and available on any platform. The whole point of NOOBS/PINN is that you don't need to endure the risk and the pain of installing some, potentially dangerous, third party, "imager" program.

I never understood why the maker of PINN implemented an "imager" way of using the product, but I suppose it was one of those "Because it was an interesting challenge - because it was there - sort of thing".

So, yes, you can get going with PINN on a Mac, just as long as you have "unzip" available at the Terminal Prompt.

[procount]

I never understood why the maker of PINN implemented an "imager" way of using the product, but I suppose it was one of those "Because it was an interesting challenge - because it was there - sort of thing".

In the beginning, using an unzip tool was the easiest way to install NOOBS for basic Windows users, as you rightly stated. It is still one of the ways to install PINN onto a FAT32 formatted SD Card.
However, the massive increase in SD card size since those days has meant that formatting an SD card as FAT32 has now become a lot harder. 64GB cards or larger are often formatted as exFAT, and converting them to FAT32 is often problematic, requiring additional non-standard tools. You only need to look on here to see the number of posts about formatting SD cards as FAT32 for NOOBS.
Also, many excellent tools have now been developed to flash images to SD cards in a more user friendly way, such as Balena Etcher and Raspberry Pi Imager to name but 2.
So the image version of PINN was created in an effort to reduce these support posts and avoid the FAT32 formatting issues altogether. I would argue that this is now the easiest way to install PINN. However, it is still possible to install PINN-lite or PINN-full by simply unzipping them to a FAT32 formatted drive. At the end of the day, the user can use whichever method they feel most comfortable with.