New to the Raspberry Pi

[fruitoftheloom]

I'm looking at trying to get BeebEm, the BBC Micro Emulator up and running on a Pi, after some searching I have found my Pi 3 model B I think, but guessing this will do for now until I buy a Pi 4.

Below is the BeebEm website, which version will I need to download.

http://www.mkw.me.uk/beebem/

I have ordered some microSD cards so should arrive tomorrow, and will setup and install RpiOC and RetroPi on a another, once done how would I do this, start the Pi with RPiOS microSD card in, will I then need to insert the RettoPi card and try and run from there or will I need to re-boot with the RetroPi card in.

Does anyone else have BeebEm up and running.

Well 4 years ago this user posted a Blog:

http://haprpi.blogspot.com/p/the-bbc-lives.html?m=1

[bensimmo]

The SD card contain the who OS.
you just turn off, put card in, turn on.
job done.

If you haven't got the microHDMI cable, get a proper one. seen many people moan the adaptor bang into the USB cables.

When starting and if you don't mind wired cables. buy the official kit.

I buy 32 or 64 GB A1 class cards, depending on which is a good price.
never filled one up yet.

But then I don't store video on them, other than camera video.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

http://haprpi.blogspot.com/p/the-bbc-lives.html?m=1

Thank you for the blog link, will check this out later.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

The SD card contain the who OS.
you just turn off, put card in, turn on.
job done.

If you haven't got the microHDMI cable, get a proper one. seen many people moan the adaptor bang into the USB cables.

When starting and if you don't mind wired cables. buy the official kit.

I buy 32 or 64 GB A1 class cards, depending on which is a good price.
never filled one up yet.

But then I don't store video on them, other than camera video.

Thank you.

I may order 4 A1 ScanDisk Ultra 32GB cards, or should I go for the 64GB, both at a very good price, these will be empty so will have to install RPiOS on one and RetroPi on another.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Can you store additional files onto the same microSD card that RPOiOS is installed on.

[bensimmo]

whichever you feel like. 64GB may be a bit faster, but not a lot and are you going to use the room? RetroPie, maybe if you're a ROM horder for the newer games.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JWXGNT shows 32GB is £6.50 and 64GB is £10.20 in the UK, since I've not looked in a long time.
Bargain.

As for RetroPi, for what you're doing, a Pi Zero would do well too.


Yes, it's just an OS. You can even run RetroPi on it, BUT it's much easier to use a separate card.
It's act just like a harddrive you would normally us, though currently Windows cannot easily read them which shouldn't be a problem. I don't know about MacOS, I assume it can, but I don't use it.
You don't need RetroPie to use a BEEB emulator though.
Once you start to play around with them, things will become clearer.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Can you store additional files onto the same microSD card that RPOiOS is installed on.

Thank you, that's good to know.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

whichever you feel like. 64GB may be a bit faster, but not a lot and are you going to use the room? RetroPie, maybe if you're a ROM horder for the newer games.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073JWXGNT shows 32GB is £6.50 and 64GB is £10.20 in the UK, since I've not looked in a long time.
Bargain.

As for RetroPi, for what you're doing, a Pi Zero would do well too.

Yes, it's just an OS. You can even run RetroPi on it, BUT it's much easier to use a separate card.
It's act just like a harddrive you would normally us, though currently Windows cannot easily read them which shouldn't be a problem. I don't know about MacOS, I assume it can, but I don't use it.
You don't need RetroPie to use a BEEB emulator though.
Once you start to play around with them, things will become clearer.

That's the same microSD cards that I have been looking at.

Reference RetroPie, yes I have so much BBC Micro files, one of them being the original BBC Elite with it's wire frame graphics. So different with Elite Dangerous today, I have most of The BBC Micro magazines, Acorn User, Micro User, BeeBug etc, but I'm looking for A&B Computing and Archimedes World. There are a couple of BBC Micro games that I would like to re-write, especially on the RPiOS using BeebEm.

As for the RetroPi, the Pi Zero, will I need to connect this to my RPiOS or does the Pi Zero work on it's own, and how does the Pi Zero work, very interested in this.

I'm about to order micro SD cards but just working out how many that I will need, one for RISC OS, one for RPiOS, another for RetroPi and maybe a couple spare.

Mac OS can read and format to most types, argh, Thought that you would need RetroPi to use BeebEm, my mistake, can you then run BeebEm on RPiOS, guessing using the UNIX/Linux port version.

What is RetroPi mainly used for then, may need to experiment with this OS.

[bensimmo]

RetroPie https://retropie.org.uk/ is an easy to use and setup all in one old platform emulator system.
Worth a look at, you can install old Nintendo, Sega, etc platforms, Arcade emulators and whatever else anyone has emulated.
I don't know how or if they have a working Beeb emulator, or how well it runs on the Zero, but it can emulate SNES level programs very well.
Again, at the heart of it is just another Operating System, similar to RaspberryPi OS but remodel to be Game centred. You can in fact load the Pi Desktop on it too.

Have you seen https://stardot.org.uk/forums/ before, it may be more useful to you in the search for emulation.

I believe you can use the linux port of beebem, but I've not tried. it was mentioned in this blog by some bloke https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/learn- ... with-eben/


A zero is a much older very small and low powered (and much much slower) version of the Pi, it is based on the same setup as the original Pi1 series.



BUT
The Pi is a computer that runs Linux based Operating Systems, think of it like that and then you know what it can do.

Have a read of a few MagPi magazines (pdf available). e.g. https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/ ... tion-guide https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/books/retro-gaming

For now.
Setup your Pi4 with RaspberryPi OS and get used to it, there are links to the magazines on it too
I don't think RISCOS works on the Pi4, .. actually, it seems to be in testing https://www.riscosopen.org/content/down ... spberry-pi

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

RetroPie https://retropie.org.uk/ is an easy to use and setup all in one old platform emulator system.
Worth a look at, you can install old Nintendo, Sega, etc platforms, Arcade emulators and whatever else anyone has emulated.
I don't know how or if they have a working Beeb emulator, or how well it runs on the Zero, but it can emulate SNES level programs very well.
Again, at the heart of it is just another Operating System, similar to RaspberryPi OS but remodel to be Game centred. You can in fact load the Pi Desktop on it too.

Have you seen https://stardot.org.uk/forums/ before, it may be more useful to you in the search for emulation.

I believe you can use the linux port of beebem, but I've not tried. it was mentioned in this blog by some bloke https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/learn- ... with-eben/


A zero is a much older very small and low powered (and much much slower) version of the Pi, it is based on the same setup as the original Pi1 series.



BUT
The Pi is a computer that runs Linux based Operating Systems, think of it like that and then you know what it can do.

Have a read of a few MagPi magazines (pdf available). e.g. https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/articles/ ... tion-guide https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/books/retro-gaming

For now.
Setup your Pi4 with RaspberryPi OS and get used to it, there are links to the magazines on it too
I don't think RISCOS works on the Pi4, .. actually, it seems to be in testing https://www.riscosopen.org/content/down ... spberry-pi

First thing, once microSD cards arrive, will see if I can get RPiOS up and running, will then look into to see the best option for getting BeebEm running, if I'm able to get this done on RPiOS then think there will be no need to use RetroPie. It's only The BBC Micro that I'm really interested in, no other platform.

StarDot https://stardot.org.uk/forums/ looks good, I'm sure I will find some of my questions answered in there, will have good look and I'm sure there will be a lot of information on the BBC Micro on RPiOS.

Have download most of The Pi Mags, again a lot of useful information and use as a reference.

I will use my Pi3 to start with, once my Pi 4 8GB arrives, will be interested to find out if RISC OS works on it or not.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

I don't think RISCOS works on the Pi4, .. actually, it seems to be in testing https://www.riscosopen.org/content/down ... spberry-pi

I would have thought RISC OS would run on the Raspberry Pi 4 with it's ARM based chip, RISC OS was built around the ARM Processor in 1987 so would have thought there would be any issues. Anyway going to try when my Pi 4 arrives, and see what happens, if nothing at all, I can still run RISC OS on my Pi 3.

[fruitoftheloom]

I don't think RISCOS works on the Pi4, .. actually, it seems to be in testing https://www.riscosopen.org/content/down ... spberry-pi

I would have thought RISC OS would run on the Raspberry Pi 4 with it's ARM based chip, RISC OS was built around the ARM Processor in 1987 so would have thought there would be any issues. Anyway going to try when my Pi 4 arrives, and see what happens, if nothing at all, I can still run RISC OS on my Pi 3.

Not yet supported on the 4B, the Raspberry Pi Architecture is a considerable departure from the 3B+ and earlier models

https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documen ... t%20status

Actually a RPi Zero (or 1 series BCM2835) is more than adequate for RiscOS...

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Not yet supported on the 4B, the Raspberry Pi Architecture is a considerable departure from the 3B+ and earlier models

https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documen ... t%20status

Actually a RPi Zero (or 1 series BCM2835) is more than adequate for RiscOS...

Ok thank you., I have RISC OS 5.24 running on a Pi 3, would there be any need to buy a Pi Zero which is more suites to RISC OS.

[fruitoftheloom]

Not yet supported on the 4B, the Raspberry Pi Architecture is a considerable departure from the 3B+ and earlier models

https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documen ... t%20status

Actually a RPi Zero (or 1 series BCM2835) is more than adequate for RiscOS...

Ok thank you., I have RISC OS 5.24 running on a Pi 3, would there be any need to buy a Pi Zero which is more suites to RISC OS.

I never stated more suitable....

....I actually stated more than adequate.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

I never stated more suitable....

....I actually stated more than adequate.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

When the microSD cards arrive tomorrow, will they need to be formatted before using NOOBS, or can they be used straight away, will be installing RISC OS and RPiOS.

[DougieLawson]

When the microSD cards arrive tomorrow, will they need to be formatted before using NOOBS, or can they be used straight away, will be installing RISC OS and RPiOS.

Stop there. Don't use NOOBS, take a step into the third decade of the 21st century and go with PINN as your installer/boot manager. It has everything you'll love with NOOBS with all the things you'll hate removed.

[GlowInTheDark]

Stop there. Don't use NOOBS, take a step into the third decade of the 21st century and go with PINN as your installer/boot manager. It has everything you'll love with NOOBS with all the things you'll hate removed.

Very well said!!! Encore.

Given that the honchos don't endorse NOOBS anymore (official position is some combination/variation of "We're not developing it anymore" and/or "We don't recommend/support it anymore" and/or "You should use RPiImager instead"), they really should go clean and remove it from the sites - i.e., make it no longer available. Also, make it clear to third party bundlers that they should not be using NOOBS in their bundled products.

Users interested in using the NOOBS method (as contrasted with the "direct image" method) would then gravitate to PINN (as they should, indeed, do)

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Stop there. Don't use NOOBS, take a step into the third decade of the 21st century and go with PINN as your installer/boot manager. It has everything you'll love with NOOBS with all the things you'll hate removed.

Ok,, will not use NOOBS as you have suggested. Using PINN as your installer/boot manager, is the available for Mac OS and is there a guide on how to use it. I Plan to install both RPiOS and RISC OS, I'm guessing I can do both with PINN.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

Given that the honchos don't endorse NOOBS anymore (official position is some combination/variation of "We're not developing it anymore" and/or "We don't recommend/support it anymore" and/or "You should use RPiImager instead"), they really should go clean and remove it from the sites - i.e., make it no longer available. Also, make it clear to third party bundlers that they should not be using NOOBS in their bundled products.

Users interested in using the NOOBS method (as contrasted with the "direct image" method) would then gravitate to PINN (as they should, indeed, do)

Did the development of NOOBS stop a while ago. The RPilmager, is this available for mac OS.

[rpiMike]

Yes, the Raspberry Pi Imager is available for mac OS.

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

[DougieLawson]

Given that the honchos don't endorse NOOBS anymore (official position is some combination/variation of "We're not developing it anymore" and/or "We don't recommend/support it anymore" and/or "You should use RPiImager instead"), they really should go clean and remove it from the sites - i.e., make it no longer available. Also, make it clear to third party bundlers that they should not be using NOOBS in their bundled products.

Users interested in using the NOOBS method (as contrasted with the "direct image" method) would then gravitate to PINN (as they should, indeed, do)

Did the development of NOOBS stop a while ago. The RPilmager, is this available for mac OS.

The first commit by Procount on PINN was Mar 24, 2016. That's when NOOBS was stabilised.
RPImager for Mac OSX is https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager.dmg

There is a version of PINN that you can use with Etcher or the Imager.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

The first commit by Procount on PINN was Mar 24, 2016. That's when NOOBS was stabilised.
RPImager for Mac OSX is https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager.dmg

There is a version of PINN that you can use with Etcher or the Imager.

Thank you for the weblink https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager.dmg

I have ordered 2 of these cards.



I have also ordered 2 of these cards.




Installing PINN.

Once the download Image had completed it's download, it did take a while to open the download image, then it was simple enough just to drag the Raspberry Pi Image to the blue folder.



This could then be seen here within Mac OS to show the installation was successful.



Below is PINN Mac OS application open, in this window there are two buttons, one Choose and the other Choose SD Card.



On clicking on Choose Operating System, I can see no link for installing RISC OS, but there is the link for Raspberry Pi OS, which option should I use once microSD cards arrive, Raspberry Pi OS (32 bit) or Raspberry Pi OS (other)




On clicking on SD Card button, the screen is blank, I'm guessing that this is because I have no SD card interred at the moment.

[Raspberry Pi Micro]

The first commit by Procount on PINN was Mar 24, 2016. That's when NOOBS was stabilised.
RPImager for Mac OSX is https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/imager/imager.dmg

There is a version of PINN that you can use with Etcher or the Imager.

Seen that this comment was Mar 24, 2106 when NOOBS was stabilised, should I be using instead, or the PINN version that you can use with Etcher, what is Etcher and how do you use this.

What ever I use to install both RISC OS and RPiOS, just want to make sure that I'm doing the right thing, taking the right steps.

[GlowInTheDark]

Did the development of NOOBS stop a while ago?

Yep. That's what the newsdrums are telling me.