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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:28 pm

Apparently Windows 10 Smartscreen will stop blocking it after a few thousand installs (or so RPi hopes ! )
Android app - Raspi Card Imager - download and image SD cards - No PC required !

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:29 pm

Not entirely fair or accurate, but I can't stop my mind wandering to the situation caricatured here -
https://xkcd.com/927/


(But a Raspberry Pi provided and supported tool to write a Raspberry Pi operating system image for a Raspberry Pi board seems to be a sensible contribution to the toolset available. There is no compulsion to use it.)

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm

Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to an USB drive?

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:04 pm

fbe wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to an USB drive?

They are .ISO not .IMG format :?
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:48 pm

Quick warning for those considering install under XP. It loads, taking significant chunk of disk, then fails with error message about missing 'CancelioEx in DLL'.

PS Edited to reflect incompatibility with the outdated OS only. My error was not taking proper steps in control panel to remove it. After running on a 'modern' win10 netbook I see it's not as big as some of huge packages on there. Unfortunately my XP mobos are the only ones with serial/parallel and run XP/98.
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:59 pm

You should be able to uninstall it from Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel, but if you're running XP, you have bigger problems than that.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/hel ... of-support

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:07 am

Thank you. It didn't reclaim everything but almost. Missed it first time through. Hundreds of entries just under 'r' alone, I was looking under 'i' for some misguided reason.

One man's problems are another man's solutions. I do have a Win8 and several Win10 but despise that whole bunch which is one reason I'm trying to replace with Pi4 or at least throw together a reasonable backup/emergency system.

Since Buster no longer allows unzipping I'm kind of desperate to find a working imager for PC. Gzip is doing a good job on the Pi for flashing but I still need to find a good image maker and something for PC.

I might suggest some notes on the page hinting at compatibility.

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:35 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 am
This software does not verify .img has been written correctly.
Wasn't this the reason Etcher was recommended originally, to protect users against fake SD cards, by verifying the written data?
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:15 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 am
This software does not verify .img has been written correctly.
I think h2testw does a good job finding fakes and also gives a rough indication of speed. I don't even bother if it was a $15 card from local chain but definitely if it's a $3 Ebay deal. Super friendly interface and German language (if you are inclined, lol).

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:31 am

emma1997 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:15 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 am
This software does not verify .img has been written correctly.
I think h2testw does a good job finding fakes and also gives a rough indication of speed. I don't even bother if it was a $15 card from local chain but definitely if it's a $3 Ebay deal. Super friendly interface and German language (if you are inclined, lol).

What I use does verification:

viewtopic.php?f=91&t=267080#p1622564
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:18 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:04 pm
fbe wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to an USB drive?
They are .ISO not .IMG format :?
The only difference that does matter here is, that the Debian with Raspbian Desktop download is an image and the Raspbian with Desktop download is a ZIP archive with an image in it. ;)

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:26 pm

fbe wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:18 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:04 pm
fbe wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to an USB drive?
They are .ISO not .IMG format :?
The only difference that does matter here is, that the Debian with Raspbian Desktop download is an image and the Raspbian with Desktop download is a ZIP archive with an image in it. ;)

That is so wrong Debian with RDP IS an .ISO:

2020-02-12-rpd-x86-buster.iso

https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/rpd_x ... 020-02-14/
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:35 pm

...

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sudo dd if=2020-02-12-rpd-x86-buster.iso of=/dev/sdb
I tried it before writing.

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:36 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:26 pm
That is so wrong Debian with RDP IS an .ISO:
Yes. It is.

An ISO is an image file that can be used on a DVD or USB storage (if it is a Hybrid variety).
Unreadable squiggle

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:21 pm

I downloaded the WINDOWS version, installed OK.

When Run it lets me choose a OS OK BUT doesn't see any SD CARDS, even though there is one in a USB adapter, seen by Windows explorer OK.

On my 2nd PC it sees the adaptor but not the SD card so won't write .

Any clues ?
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:27 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:26 pm
That is so wrong Debian with RDP IS an .ISO:
It is an ISO9660 DVD image, it's also a bootable image for USB sticks and similar.

This is possible because ISO9660 reserves a 32K system area at the start of the drive. That is more than enough space to fit in a MBR boot sector and partition table for legacy PC booting and a GPT partition table for UEFI booting.

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:48 pm

fbe wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to a USB drive?
Same here. I use a RPi 3 with a USB device instead of a SD card.
Now I can't prepare the USB device anymore as Imager doesn't see the USB drive.

When trying to download the latest lite-image (to use BalenaEtcher) I have the problem that I can't find this version...

HELP !

Introducing a new tool is fine, but let the old way of working intact until all child-diseases have been overcome!

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 pm

gordon77 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:21 pm
I downloaded the WINDOWS version, installed OK.

When Run it lets me choose a OS OK BUT doesn't see any SD CARDS, even though there is one in a USB adapter, seen by Windows explorer OK.

On my 2nd PC it sees the adaptor but not the SD card so won't write .

Any clues ?
I've just re-tested on an old Win8 Acer Aspire V11 Touch this time using a uSDHC card in a USB3 (single) card reader/writer (rather than the built-in SD slot + uSD-to-SD adapter which I'd tested with previously) and, FWIW, it worked fine for me. Your attachments appear to indicate that you were using a multi-card device which, IIRC from another post, can mean that Windows "finds" empty (dummy) drives which could be the cause of your issue. (I'm posting from a P4B booted from the newly written and updated card via a VNC connection from my main P4B)
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:00 pm

BerndGaykema wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:48 pm
fbe wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:53 pm
Couldn't imager also be used to write Debian with Raspberry Pi Desktop images to a USB drive?
Same here. I use a RPi 3 with a USB device instead of a SD card.
Now I can't prepare the USB device anymore as Imager doesn't see the USB drive.

When trying to download the latest lite-image (to use BalenaEtcher) I have the problem that I can't find this version...

HELP !

Introducing a new tool is fine, but let the old way of working intact until all child-diseases have been overcome!


NoobS and Standalone downloads are still available, nothing has been removed:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/noobs/

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/


So nothing has changed and not sure what your issue is......
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:26 pm

FTrevorGowen wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 pm
gordon77 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:21 pm
I downloaded the WINDOWS version, installed OK.

When Run it lets me choose a OS OK BUT doesn't see any SD CARDS, even though there is one in a USB adapter, seen by Windows explorer OK.

On my 2nd PC it sees the adaptor but not the SD card so won't write .

Any clues ?
I've just re-tested on an old Win8 Acer Aspire V11 Touch this time using a uSDHC card in a USB3 (single) card reader/writer (rather than the built-in SD slot + uSD-to-SD adapter which I'd tested with previously) and, FWIW, it worked fine for me. Your attachments appear to indicate that you were using a multi-card device which, IIRC from another post, can mean that Windows "finds" empty (dummy) drives which could be the cause of your issue. (I'm posting from a P4B booted from the newly written and updated card via a VNC connection from my main P4B)
Trev.
I'm using a SanDisk SD card adapter that came with a SD card. Works fine with win32diskimager.
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:47 pm

gordon77 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:26 pm
FTrevorGowen wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 pm
gordon77 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:21 pm
I downloaded the WINDOWS version, installed OK.

When Run it lets me choose a OS OK BUT doesn't see any SD CARDS, even though there is one in a USB adapter, seen by Windows explorer OK.

On my 2nd PC it sees the adaptor but not the SD card so won't write .

Any clues ?
I've just re-tested on an old Win8 Acer Aspire V11 Touch this time using a uSDHC card in a USB3 (single) card reader/writer (rather than the built-in SD slot + uSD-to-SD adapter which I'd tested with previously) and, FWIW, it worked fine for me. Your attachments appear to indicate that you were using a multi-card device which, IIRC from another post, can mean that Windows "finds" empty (dummy) drives which could be the cause of your issue. (I'm posting from a P4B booted from the newly written and updated card via a VNC connection from my main P4B)
Trev.
I'm using a SanDisk SD card adapter that came with a SD card. Works fine with win32diskimager.
O.K. That looks like it's a USB2 device. What type of P.C., Windows version, any built-in card slots or other USB "drives" plugged in?
Did you plug the card into the reader before plugging the reader into the P.C. and then running the new tool (that's what I did since I known uSD cards not to be "picked up" if plugged into a "live" reader regardless of O.S.)? TBH I was surprised that the Acer's built-in SD card slot worked since SDHC/XC compatibility is not "guaranteed" on "older" m/c's (unless they're labelled as such - a rare occurrence).
Trev.
Still running Raspbian Jessie or Stretch on some older Pi's (an A, B1, 2xB2, B+, P2B, 3xP0, P0W, 2xP3A+, P3B+, P3B, B+, and a A+) but Buster on the P4B's. See: https://www.cpmspectrepi.uk/raspberry_pi/raspiidx.htm

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:54 pm

1 is old pentium, 2nd a i5. Both windows 10, pentium 32 bit, i5 64 bit windows. No other usb drives plugged in, no SD slots.

Fixed !! faulty SD to micro SD adaptor !!

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:56 pm

Will this enable installing to 128 Gb micros cards or do you still have to do extra steps if over 32 Gb?


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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:31 am

DaQue wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:56 pm
Will this enable installing to 128 Gb micros cards or do you still have to do extra steps if over 32 Gb?
Should work fine, just like balenaEtcher and others.

Only NOOBS installs are affected by it as cards over 32GB are by default formatted to exFat in Windows.
Writing images uses a different mechanism

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