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"Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:40 pm

Raspberry Pi now have their own utility for writing OS images to microSD cards -
We’ve made a simpler way to image your microSD card with Raspbian, the official Raspberry Pi operating system, and other operating systems. Introducing our new imaging utility, Raspberry Pi Imager.
Ref: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... g-utility/

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:15 pm

B.Goode wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:40 pm
Raspberry Pi now have their own utility for writing OS images to microSD cards -
We’ve made a simpler way to image your microSD card with Raspbian, the official Raspberry Pi operating system, and other operating systems. Introducing our new imaging utility, Raspberry Pi Imager.
Ref: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... g-utility/

Great, hopefully we will see the end of NoobS :D
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:20 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:15 pm
B.Goode wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:40 pm
Raspberry Pi now have their own utility for writing OS images to microSD cards -
We’ve made a simpler way to image your microSD card with Raspbian, the official Raspberry Pi operating system, and other operating systems. Introducing our new imaging utility, Raspberry Pi Imager.
Ref: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... g-utility/

Great, hopefully we will see the end of NoobS :D
That will still exist (for preimaged SD cards its still useful), but recommended use is Raspberry Pi Imager when you are creating your own card.
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:17 pm

Spectacular! I guess that some of the pre-use configuration (enabling ssh, establishing WiFi configuration) might show up in future versions, but this looks like a wonderful V1!
Super-useful tools:
RPi SD Card Image Manager: https://github.com/gitbls/sdm
Lightweight Virtual VNC Config: https://github.com/gitbls/RPiVNCHowTo
Easy-Peasy VPN installer/manager: https://github.com/gitbls/pistrong

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:59 pm

Nice, thankyou. :D

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Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:17 pm

Noobs is also useful if you need to set up an SD card on a machine where you don't have admin privileges.

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:51 pm

Did I read it correctly or not? - not on Raspbian??
available for Windows, macOS and Ubuntu

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Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm

neilgl wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:51 pm
Did I read it correctly or not? - not on Raspbian??
available for Windows, macOS and Ubuntu
In another thread it was stated that a Raspbian version is coming soon. But a Raspbian version is less important than the non-Raspbian versions as they allow first time users to get started using their existing (non-Raspbian) PCs.

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Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:01 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:15 pm
Great, hopefully we will see the end of NoobS :D
The Raspberry Pi Imager utility seems to be a replacement for BalenaEtcher. No more bloat, as the program is written in C++. It is not exactly a replacement for NOOBS, as you need to have sufficient privileges to be able to write to the SD card. Although, in some ways they are similar: both are beginner friendly, as they allow to easily choose the OS you are interested in and they allow easy changes to the Pi's config (config.txt), if I am not mistaken.
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pm

ConfuSomu wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:01 pm
No more bloat, as the program is written in C++
Except that it pulled in a load of "qml" libraries (what evver they are) that weren't installed by default on my Mint-19 laptop.
/var/log/apt/history.log show this.....

Code: Select all

Start-Date: 2020-03-05  13:05:40
Commandline: aptdaemon role='role-install-file' sender=':1.187'
Install: qml-module-qtquick-window2:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu1.1, automatic), qml-module-qtquick2:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu1.1, automatic), 
libqt5quicktemplates2-5:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu2, automatic), qml-module-qtquick-layouts:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu1.1, automatic), 
qml-module-qtquick-controls2:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu2, automatic), qml-module-qt-labs-settings:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu1.1, automatic), 
libqt5quickcontrols2-5:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu2, automatic), qml-module-qtquick-templates2:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu2, automatic), 
qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects:amd64 (5.9.5-0ubuntu1, automatic)
End-Date: 2020-03-05  13:05:56


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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:14 am

I'm not sure if it's behaving as a nice program on Windows10 (scaling and fonts and probably accessibility) but will do. An old style program from the dark ages. ;)

But it's open source, does the job if you don't mind tiny text on higher dpi displays. Unless I'm missing a setting in windows somewhere.

https://github.com/raspberrypi/imagewriter

Add the features you want :-)

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:28 am

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Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:14 am
I'm not sure if it's behaving as a nice program on Windows10 (scaling and fonts and probably accessibility) but will do. An old style program from the dark ages. ;)
:?: You must be looking at a different program. It looks fine on my system. Not like a lot of other programs that have problems with high dpi, etc

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:24 am

DirkS wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:28 am
bensimmo wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:14 am
I'm not sure if it's behaving as a nice program on Windows10 (scaling and fonts and probably accessibility) but will do. An old style program from the dark ages. ;)
:?: You must be looking at a different program. It looks fine on my system. Not like a lot of other programs that have problems with high dpi, etc
I'll try again and change a few settings. But my text is incredibly small on my laptop (~15" 1080 display) so not overly large dpi, but does have scaling set and font sizes altered.
It installs to the legacy x86 folder, probably also why it warns so much when trying to install it. I've reported it as safe though.
(Browser warns when it has downloaded, then windows warns again on installing. Hopefully MS allow it as safe eventually)

But it is usable :-), a bit of scrolling for the extra selection options (why fix the program window to a small box size? I've been able to resize windows since forever).
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:27 am

Ha! I was about to ask this >

''Slightly off topic but is it possible to etch an SD card with an Android phone?''

and then I found this >

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... r&hl=en_GB

Looks good as lots of people don't have a laptop or a PC
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:39 am

This software does not verify .img has been written correctly.


It would of been helpful if there was some way to verify that the SD Card Reader actually supports the SD Card ie SDHC / SDXC.


Though personally would recommend a USB Card Reader as they are cheap:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MICRO-SD-Mem ... 2803624404
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:43 am

Cancelor wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:27 am
Ha! I was about to ask this >

''Slightly off topic but is it possible to etch an SD card with an Android phone?''

and then I found this >

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... r&hl=en_GB

Looks good as lots of people don't have a laptop or a PC
For more information an that Android App.
Look here :-)
viewtopic.php?f=63&t=170856

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Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:11 am

bensimmo wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:24 am
DirkS wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:28 am
bensimmo wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:14 am
I'm not sure if it's behaving as a nice program on Windows10 (scaling and fonts and probably accessibility) but will do. An old style program from the dark ages. ;)
:?: You must be looking at a different program. It looks fine on my system. Not like a lot of other programs that have problems with high dpi, etc
I'll try again and change a few settings. But my text is incredibly small on my laptop (~15" 1080 display) so not overly large dpi, but does have scaling set and font sizes altered.
It installs to the legacy x86 folder, probably also why it warns so much when trying to install it. I've reported it as safe though.
(Browser warns when it has downloaded, then windows warns again on installing. Hopefully MS allow it as safe eventually)

But it is usable :-), a bit of scrolling for the extra selection options (why fix the program window to a small box size? I've been able to resize windows since forever).
Had another play. (Windows10 Home 1909)
It responds to OS scaling. (mines set at 125%, but tried the others)
It ignores OS font size (mines set to 125%, but tried others)
The default font size in the program is tiny for no good reason.

For reference on a 15.6" 1080 laptop screen that R in Raspbian is 1.5mm high !
and most people I see at uni and my schools have smaller 14 or 13 inch 1080p screens (unless they are 'lucky' to have been supplied a cheaper low resolution screen)
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:46 am

Most odd, just tried on my laptop, which is 1920x1080, 15.5" and it's all fine. The list display doesn't have particularly large fonts, but they are still perfectly readable.

edit: Not scaled anything though.
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:48 am

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Most odd, just tried on my laptop, which is 1920x1080, 15.5" and it's all fine. The list display doesn't have particularly large fonts, but they are still perfectly readable.
It's a new laptop so everything is as it came.

had another play.
It's response to scaling is weird. If you scale to 175% it kicks in with the proper scaling. At 100-125-150 % there seems little difference in the program. 125% being the recommended default from windows. ("Vision - Make Everything Bigger*")

It completely ignores any font scaling setting. ("Vision - Make text bigger")

*same as the setting under display

For and Education based Foundation, you really do need to look at the accessibility of the programs. It's 2020 now, we can't ignore them, it should respond to text size settings)
EDIT "Readable" yes they are at 100% scaling about the correct size, a bit smaller due to the poor choice of font. But that is your eyes!, not others.
It should scale well and have clear readable font, not a compressed font.

(and no I probably couldn't' do any better, it's hard to do, I not go the programming skills. But Windows 10 does provide it all for you to use)

EDIT opened a Github issue

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:38 am

bensimmo wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:48 am
jamesh wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:46 am
Most odd, just tried on my laptop, which is 1920x1080, 15.5" and it's all fine. The list display doesn't have particularly large fonts, but they are still perfectly readable.
It's a new laptop so everything is as it came.

had another play.
It's response to scaling is weird. If you scale to 175% it kicks in with the proper scaling. At 100-125-150 % there seems little difference in the program. 125% being the recommended default from windows. ("Vision - Make Everything Bigger*")

It completely ignores any font scaling setting. ("Vision - Make text bigger")

*same as the setting under display

For and Education based Foundation, you really do need to look at the accessibility of the programs. It's 2020 now, we can't ignore them, it should respond to text size settings)
EDIT "Readable" yes they are at 100% scaling about the correct size, a bit smaller due to the poor choice of font. But that is your eyes!, not others.
It should scale well and have clear readable font, not a compressed font.

(and no I probably couldn't' do any better, it's hard to do, I not go the programming skills. But Windows 10 does provide it all for you to use)

EDIT opened a Github issue
I suspect it's a QT issue (think the app is written in QT), but we will look in to it. And remember, this app needs to run on Mac and Linux as well as Windows, so we need to use a cross platform toolkit, sometimes they can be a bit inconsistent.

We spend a LOT of time and money on accessibility, most of it recently on Orca and the like in the desktop itself.
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:55 am

I know I did see the accessibility and I need to point this out at our next PiJam too (we have some that may use it), but when these new programs are released, I thought I would point out problems to get them fixed. As per your Accessibility Guidelines.

If QT is the culprit ( or a setting in QT) then it needs looking at. Cross platform ease cannot come before disabilities or accessibility.

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Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:10 pm

You need to sign your Win10 installer.

Getting this from Windows 10 (on the new laptop I bought on Monday this week)
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:19 pm

raspberryPiBlog wrote:During this process, Raspberry Pi Imager also caches the downloaded operating system image – that is to say, it saves a local copy on your computer, so you can program additional SD cards without having to download the file again
Note that it only stores the last one, then deletes it when you start a different image.

So if you alternate Raspbian and LibreElec for example, you'll be constantly downloading.... not great for 2.5GB downloads !

In that case you can always download Raspbian.zip manually and select custom image file
- it does support imaging direct from zip file like etcher.
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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:23 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:10 pm
You need to sign your Win10 installer.


Just to point out that there is some related discussion in the Comments section of the associated blog post.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... /#comments

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Re: "Introducing Raspberry Pi Imager, our new imaging utility"

Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:05 pm

B.Goode wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:23 pm
DougieLawson wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:10 pm
You need to sign your Win10 installer.


Just to point out that there is some related discussion in the Comments section of the associated blog post.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspbe ... /#comments

Still prefer the ""Chromebook Recovery Utility"" extension for chromium browser:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... hbbiimdgai

Version 3.1.7 Updated 24 September 2018 Size 1.53MiB

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... hromeos.md
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