akon13014
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RFID READ MULTITAG

Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:25 pm

Hello,

I work on a school project where I have to be able to read several tagged objects placed on a multiple tag reader.
So I found with my research this module: http://www.jadaktech.com/products/rfid/ ... ule-gemini
but I do not know if it is completely compatible with the Raspeberry pi3 and if there is an other solution to read several tag ...
Can you help me ?

Thanks a lot :D

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:00 pm

You are linking to a NFC reader, I'm not sure that is what you are after. What are your requirement for reading distance ?
The link says very little about protocols or chipset used so its almost impossible to know how much code you have to write to get it to work.

Why not go for something actually tested on the Raspberry:
- https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-nfc ... i/overview

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:27 am

Hello,
Thank you for your reply, the reading distance is about 10 cm.
The goal is to detect the presence or not of several objects on the antenna.
I looked at your link, but I did not find information about multiple tag reading.
Is it possible with Adafruit?

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:57 am

What exactly do you mean by "multiple" tag reading ? Do you want to detect continously the precense (and non-precense) of multiple tags ? Is multiple 2 or 10 or more ?
You will rarely find information about multiple tag handling with NFC readers because that is not a normal usecase.

I'll quote someone from the internet because I agree with what they say.
David Maier, Professor of Computer Science
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Hard to tell -- there are several factors at play.

In the single-tag case, the antennas of the reader and the passive tag are essentially operating like the two windings of a transformer, with electromagnetic induction coupling them. The system is tuned to a particular frequency (13.56 Mhz). If there are two tags near each other, particularly in a stack, they can experience something called "mutual detuning", which distorts their frequency response. So you might not get a reading from either tag.

A second issue is that the tags draw their power from the reader's RF signal. If there are a lot of tags in the field of the reader, there might be insufficient power to trigger any one of them.

If you do get a response from several of them, there could still be a problem if the reader software is only set up to deal with one tag at a time. In theory, the reader can connect with the first tag it detects, then issue a "halt" command to that tag, and try to read another. However, apparently some SDKs for reader devices assume one tag at a time and don't support this mode of operation. Others can handle tag collisions.
There is also this thread with more information about how he Adafruit Shield is designed. ( Related to an older version using PN532 chip and not PN512 which I think is in the newer model but I belive they behave mostly the same. )
https://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=35050

Is there an option to use other RFID standards than ISO14443 (aka NFC) ? They might be better suited to your specific usecase.

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:35 pm

Yes I want detect continously the precense (and non-precense) of multiple tag, I did some research and found that there were RFID readers that managed the anti-colision protocol to be able to read several tag, notably in UHF
Like this module : http://www.es-france.com/produit9151/product_info.html

If I can read 10 tag to start, it would be good

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:42 pm

Then I will say that ISO14443 based RFID is not what you are looking for.

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Re: RFID READ MULTITAG

Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:20 pm

Hello,
with research I found several type of RFID reader :

HF : 13,56 MHz with ISO 14443
UHF : 840 - 960 MHz with ISO 18000

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