Cant switch OS

[zrbtvzvu]

Hello

I accidentelly installed Noobs as OS but I dont want that I want the Raspbian since all tutorials are in that OS.

I removed completely the entire OS so my SD card was empty, then I put the raspbian OS on it but when I boot it doesnt ask me to install anything and it just keeps booting up in Noobs.

It is very weird since I removed Noobs so it shouldnt even boot but somehow it boots in Noobs eventhough I deleted it. I tried 2 times already

When the card is empty it doesnt boot so you would think it isnt installed and then I put raspbian on it and it boots up straight to noobs. Very weird

How do I get it to Rasbian?

Thanks

[Douglas6]

Noobs is not an Operating System, it's an OS installer, typically used to install the Raspbian OS. I don't use it myself, so others may be more helpful, but what do you mean by "booting up in noobs"?

[zrbtvzvu]

Noobs is not an Operating System, it's an OS installer, typically used to install the Raspbian OS. I don't use it myself, so others may be more helpful, but what do you mean by "booting up in noobs"?

im trying to install the Raspbian OS (the one of 3gb or so) but I keep getting booted up in Noobs (the 1gb)

I am trying to get the same OS as all the videos on youtube because noobs misses options. For example I try to install wifi but i cannot follow the first step of some youtube tutorials because my entire OS is different and im missing wlan_gui settings in internet tab, also my task bar is on top and in every youtube video it is on bottom. So I am trying to get the same OS.

I simply wanna reinstall entirely

how do I get to the boot menu I had at first? whenever I put raspian on a new install it automaticly boots up, I wanna reinstall the OS like the 1st time

thanks

[topguy]

- NOOBS is not an OS.
- NOOBS is the tool that allows you to install OSs. ( Like OSMC, OpenElec and Raspbian. )

It seems to me you are confused about what is what. If you have a desktop with menus and icons and can start programs like a webbrowser, Scratch and Wolfram engine then you are in Raspbian.

This video shows exactly how to use NOOBS to get Raspbian OS installed: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
NOOBS is still present on the card as a emergency rescue tool and if you hold down SHIFT at boot you can access NOOBS aging to re-install raspbian if needed.

The alternative of using noobs is to download an image of only Raspbian and write it to the card using the instructions here:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md
If you install Raspbian from image then there are no installation step when you boot the first time.

[zrbtvzvu]

- NOOBS is not an OS.
- NOOBS is the tool that allows you to install OSs.
* Like OSMC, OpenElec and Raspbian.

This video shows exactly how to use NOOBS to get Raspbian OS installed: https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
NOOBS is still present on the card as a emergency rescue tool and if you hold down SHIFT at boot you can access NOOBS aging to re-install raspbian if needed.

The alternative of uding noobs is to download an image of only Raspbian and write it to the card using the instructions here:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

yes thank you that is what I have been doing now. This is the 3rd time I put the img on the sd card but everytime it boots into the old OS. I want the OS that has the taskbar on the bottom not on the top and the OS that has all those options because I am missing lots of them


Also holding down shit when rebooting doesnt do anything, it keeps booting into the old OS

[topguy]

But it is not an old OS, its exactly the same version of Raspbian that you got when using NOOBS. That is why it looks the same.

It's actually the NEW look of Raspbian. Over the last year the Raspbian desktop has changed a lot and if you download and install Raspbian with NOOBS or the image you will get this new version. If you look at screenshots from before 2015 then those will not look like Raspbian does today.

I think this might be the source of the confusion.

[zrbtvzvu]

But it is not an old OS, its exactly the same version of Raspbian that you got when using NOOBS. That is why it looks the same.

It's actually the NEW look of Raspbian. Over the last year the Raspbian desktop has changed a lot and if you download and install Raspbian with NOOBS or the image you will get this new version. If you look at screenshots from before 2015 then those will not look like Raspbian does today.

I think this might be the source of the confusion.

oh damn, so i had the right OS? How is it possible? The OS is 3.6gb and noobs is only 1gb. How can the OS fit on noobs then?

why was it missing so many options then? I was trying to install wifi using this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXzFOiHVheE but I dont even have the wpa_gui option, so how do I follow the tutorial then?

I got another problem now, I was trying to put the right OS on the sd card for the 4th time now but now my SD card says it only has 59.9mb left. While it should have 64gb (its fat or fat32 formatted though)

Im trying to look at the issue and it seems that it has a 60gb partition I cannot access. So 2 partitions total, one of 59.9mb and one of 60gb.

I cant merge the partitions, so now I dont even have enough room on the sd card to install noobs or raspbian

what should I do?

[topguy]

Download this tool to reformat your card.
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
( you can probably use disk-manager in windows to delete those partitions also, just be careful )

Read this blog entry:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/anothe ... ce-update/

[zrbtvzvu]

Download this tool to reformat your card.
https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/
( you can probably use disk-manager in windows to delete those partitions also )

Read this blog entry:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/anothe ... ce-update/

no that is the problem the formatting doesnt work, it doesnt show it as option. its like windows has blocked the sd card partitions from being cleared

and i tried putting wpa_gui manually into the run command but that closes the screen and also doesnt do anything

[zrbtvzvu]

also how come noobs OS is only 1.2gb but the Raspbian OS is 3.6gb but somehow the Raspbian OS fits onto Noobs?

that seems weird, why is that?

[topguy]

File Compression. NOOBS has Raspbian stored as compressed files, the disk-image has the files in real-size.
The zip-compressed image is only 1.3GB also.

Do you have an ethernet cable (to your internet router) you can use, then you can use noobs-lite or raspbian-lite to install, that will make sure that everything is up-to-date also before you start fiddlin with WiFi.

[zrbtvzvu]

File Compression. NOOBS has Raspbian stored as compressed files, the disk-image has the files in real-size.
The zip-compressed image is only 1.3GB also.

Ok then what is exactly the difference between these two: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ ? If the raspbian is included within the noobs what is the point to have 2? Seems confusing

File Compression. NOOBS has Raspbian stored as compressed files, the disk-image has the files in real-size.
The zip-compressed image is only 1.3GB also.

Do you have an ethernet cable (to your internet router) you can use, then you can use noobs-lite or raspbian-lite to install, that will make sure that everything is up-to-date also before you start fiddlin with WiFi.

no i do not have a lan cable, only a wifi dongle i need to install.

But now I cant access my sd card to do a new install, the raspberry has somehow blocked my sd card from adding partitions

[zrbtvzvu]

Do I need internet to install raspbian from noobs?

[topguy]

> If the raspbian is included within the noobs what is the point to have 2? Seems confusing.

If you are connected to internet with the cable when starting NOOBS you can download and install many other OSs ( openelec, RiscOS etc. ) If you use NOOBS-Lite then you must have internet because it doesnt include Raspbian either.

> But now I cant access my sd card to do a new install, the raspberry has somehow blocked my sd card from adding partitions

Do you use the tool I linked to ?

[zrbtvzvu]

nvm I fixed the sd card formatting issue

so yeah im now once again inside the OS on the rapsberry trying to install wifi

i open terminal (not run like i did first but this time terminal) and I type "wpa_gui" and then it says bash: wpa_gui command not found

so how do I install wifi like in this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXzFOiHVheE ?

how do I even check if my OS was installed successfully, if im missing anything or what version I have? I feel like im missing lots of stuff, in every tutorial video I watch there are way more options. I only have 3 options under internet where in tutorials people have 7. I also cant seem to change the time for some reason and on the top right there is a colourful square that is blocking the time, how do I remove that square?

I dont know, I reinstalled everything 5 times but somehow it seems incomplete. Every tutorial has a different OS it seems and looks way different. I dont have internet yet, maybe thats the problem? Thanks for the help

thanks all for the help!

[Douglas6]

RPF has a guy working the last year or so to 'simplify' the UI.That seems to be a matter of (his) opinion.
On the top right of the screen is a network icon, looks like two overlapping computers. Click it, select your network from the list, and enter the psk/password.

[zrbtvzvu]

RPF has a guy working the last year or so to 'simplify' the UI.That seems to be a matter of (his) opinion.
On the top right of the screen is a network icon, looks like two overlapping computers. Click it, select your network from the list, and enter the psk/password.

its confusing they change so much in such a short ammount of time, the entire OS looks different than the ones used in youtube tutorials.

Anyway

it says no wireless interfaces found

i probably need to install it, thats why i try to open the wpa_gui

any ideas? thanks

[Douglas6]

Should be nothing to install. Sounds like you're missing a WiFi dongle, or yours isn't recognized.

Post the results of 'lsusb' (from the terminal), and someone can help with that.

[zrbtvzvu]

Should be nothing to install. Sounds like you're missing a WiFi dongle, or yours isn't recognized.

Post the results of 'lsusb' (from the terminal), and someone can help with that.

it is definately plugged in i tried it multiple times, and its a new wifi dongle i just unpacked it

it did come with a driver cd though, so i think i need to install it somehow

lsusb

- dell keyboard
- microsoft mouse
- realtec semiconductor corp
- standard microsystems corp fast ethernet adapter
- standard microsystems corp
- linux foundation 2.0 root hub


hmm it seems it does miss it, so yeah, i need to install it

how do I install it?

[fruitoftheloom]

Should be nothing to install. Sounds like you're missing a WiFi dongle, or yours isn't recognized.

Post the results of 'lsusb' (from the terminal), and someone can help with that.

it is definately plugged in i tried it multiple times, and its a new wifi dongle i just unpacked it

it did come with a driver cd though, so i think i need to install it somehow

lsusb

- dell keyboard
- microsoft mouse
- realtec semiconductor corp
- standard microsystems corp fast ethernet adapter
- standard microsystems corp
- linux foundation 2.0 root hub


hmm it seems it does miss it, so yeah, i need to install it

how do I install it?

Please can you post full output of lsusb as it will give device ID's

[zrbtvzvu]

Should be nothing to install. Sounds like you're missing a WiFi dongle, or yours isn't recognized.

Post the results of 'lsusb' (from the terminal), and someone can help with that.

it is definately plugged in i tried it multiple times, and its a new wifi dongle i just unpacked it

it did come with a driver cd though, so i think i need to install it somehow

lsusb

- dell keyboard
- microsoft mouse
- realtec semiconductor corp
- standard microsystems corp fast ethernet adapter
- standard microsystems corp
- linux foundation 2.0 root hub


hmm it seems it does miss it, so yeah, i need to install it

how do I install it?

Please can you post full output of lsusb as it will give device ID's

Bus 001 Device 006: ID 413c:2003 Dell computer corp. keyboard
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 045e:0040 Microsoft Corp. Wheel Mouse Optical
Bus 001 Device 008: ID Obda:818b Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub


i hope i didnt make any typos

so what does this do? can you help me solve the wifi not being recognized with it? Thanks

[zrbtvzvu]

Oh I just pulled out the wifi dongle and ran 'lsusb' again and now I only got 5 results instead of 6. The realtec semiconductor must be the wifi dongle then because now its missing from the list.

Is that any useful?

I also might have mistaken a 0 for an O i'm not sure

it might be "Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0bda:818b" instead of "Bus 001 Device 008: ID Obda:818b" i dont know

[Navyscourge]

Ignoring everything else that seems confusing...

Which WiFi adapter do you have (make and model) and where did you get it from? You should not need a CD to install anything (if it is Windows drivers on the CD, they won't work on a Pi). Which power supply are you using? What is the rating, you need a 5V, 2A supply. If the power supply does not deliver sufficient power, the WiFi adapter might not have enough power to be recognised.

It does seem that many WiFi adapters have issues

[rpdom]

I think you need a driver for that device, but it there won't be one for Raspbian on that CD.

I believe MrEngman has built suitable drivers for downloading.

Follow the instructions here viewtopic.php?f=45&t=103989#p869814
carefully.

You'll need the right driver for the kernel version and build number you have got installed, and he tells you how to find that with uname -a, then how to work out the correct file to download and how to install it.

[zrbtvzvu]

Ignoring everything else that seems confusing...

Which WiFi adapter do you have (make and model) and where did you get it from? You should not need a CD to install anything (if it is Windows drivers on the CD, they won't work on a Pi). Which power supply are you using? What is the rating, you need a 5V, 2A supply. If the power supply does not deliver sufficient power, the WiFi adapter might not have enough power to be recognised.

It does seem that many WiFi adapters have issues

I use a Maxtor wifi dongle "Mini USB AWifi adapter 802.11b+g+n"

there is a driver cd that does also have linux drivers on there so it should work with linux which is the raspberry pi right?

i just need to find a way how to install the drivers since im new to linux

and yes im giving it enough juice

thanks for all the help really appreciate it