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Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:16 am

Hi everyone I have two questions that are driving me and I'm new to the whole pi concept. Right my two questions are one I have my pi powered by my TV (its a smart TV kdl32705cbu sony bravia model ) and I was wondering and abit worried will it hurt the tv in anyway. My second question is I'm planning on buying a USB hub for my pi to connect a hdd portal none mains powered will that hub back power the pi and destroy it or is that just when you have a pi plugged into a hub not a hub plugged into a pi hope I made that last question clear :)

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Re: Hi need help on two questions

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:58 am

Richard24red wrote:I was wondering and a bit worried will it hurt the tv in anyway.
It shouldn't be a problem for your TV. (except when you are using high power USB devices without a hub)
Richard24red wrote:Will that hub back power the pi and destroy it
There is a chance that the hub will back power the pi, the problem with back power is that you skip the fuse (so no protection), so I think it's better to find a hub which doesn't back power. ;)

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Re: Hi need help on two questions

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:55 am

You need to keep your power budget below 500mA because that's the max current draw you're supposed to take from a USB 2.0 connection. It won't hurt to pull more, but the computer (running embedded Linux) inside your TV may legitimately decide to disconnect the high current USB device.
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Re: Hi need help on two questions

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:07 am

unless you are using a model A then you get 4 portss and don't need a HUB
personally I'd power the RPI with a decent 2A PSU and have done with any power issues [as long as you have dcecent micro USB leads
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Re: Hi need help on two questions

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:22 am

If you have peripherals that need a significant power level you will need a powered hub. I am using this one: http://thepihut.com/products/7-port-usb ... spberry-pi which powers the Pi and several peripherals, including a HDD

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Re: Hi need help on two questions

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:25 am

Richard24red wrote:Hi everyone I have two questions that are driving me and I'm new to the whole pi concept. Right my two questions are one I have my pi powered by my TV (its a smart TV kdl32705cbu sony bravia model ) and I was wondering and abit worried will it hurt the tv in anyway. My second question is I'm planning on buying a USB hub for my pi to connect a hdd portal none mains powered will that hub back power the pi and destroy it or is that just when you have a pi plugged into a hub not a hub plugged into a pi hope I made that last question clear :)

Thanks you for your time
What Model of Raspberry Pi do you have ?

https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power
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Re: Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:20 pm

Thanks you for all your replys I understand about the tv its not gonna harm it thanks you :)

Now about the hub and pi model I have the raspberry pi 2 b and I need a hub to play the external hdd wich is a portable so its not powered by anything I've tried just plugging into the pi with a USB powersupply but it won't power it just comes on for a second then off and it keeps repeating it so basically just need a hub to keep it on

Thank you :)

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Re: Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:45 pm

Richard24red wrote:Thanks you for all your replys I understand about the tv its not gonna harm it thanks you :)

Now about the hub and pi model I have the raspberry pi 2 b and I need a hub to play the external hdd wich is a portable so its not powered by anything I've tried just plugging into the pi with a USB powersupply but it won't power it just comes on for a second then off and it keeps repeating it so basically just need a hub to keep it on

Thank you :)
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Re: Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:22 pm

Sorry Im a bit new to the pi so your saying that if i have a usb hub to only power the hard drive that could damage my pi ?

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Re: Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:25 pm

When you are using an external power supply for the Raspberry pi (5V 2A) you are able to use the HDD without a USB hub.
You can use a hub, but that is not necessary.
But then you'll need to change the setting for the power to the sub ports (see up).

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Re: Hi need help on two questions - power from TV

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:08 pm

Richard24red wrote:Sorry Im a bit new to the pi so your saying that if i have a usb hub to only power the hard drive that could damage my pi ?
The RPi has protection circuit so powering from a Hub or TV is not an issue.

The issue is USB2 only provides 500ma, whilst USB3 900ma...

Therefore considering the RPi2B requires a minimum of around 350ma just to boot, if you plug in any peripherals you will have an unstable RPi.

If you follow advice above and use a decent PSU, you will not need a USB Hub...

https://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#power


PersonallyI have a RPi 2B with the RPF PSU & Wifi Dongle as well as cheap USB Keyboard & Mouse and a USB3 Hard Drive. I have no issues with the hard drive spinning up or being stable undertaking file transfers

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/un ... wer-supply

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/usb-wifi-dongle

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/p ... 339361.htm
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