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ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 3:00 pm
by welshy
With all the recent (And historic) posting about “Frontier” (Elite 2) posted, I thought it prudent to post some info on Hatari, the Atari ST Emulator (Pete Burgess previously mentioned it in a Thread) Link Here - http://hatari.tuxfamily.org/. The ST was faster for “Polygon” based 3D games than the Amiga (Where its custom Hardware could not assist) due to its 68000 running at a higher clock setting (8MHz as opposed to 7.16). It’s straight forward to compile (Use version 1.2.0), ./configure, make, runs in Console or “X” and I haven’t had a game/demo that has foxed it as yet! Well worth a look!

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 7:38 am
by Otto
I think you'll find the Amiga was better at polygon based games too, the hardware could do line drawing and filling.
Any 3D games that were slower on the Amiga were simply because they were straight ports from the ST ..... :)

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 12:12 pm
by welshy
Otto
Fair point and although I don’t wish to get involved in semantics on which individual hardware was better (Lets not go there!), but it isn’t just a case of “Straight Ports” between the Atari ST and Amiga. The industry was in flux at the time (After the 1983 Video Game Crash) and becoming more business orientated, games were programmed in C rather than assembler for “Porting” to competing systems (ST, Amiga and Macintosh). To ease code transfer between them, it wasn’t “Machine Specific” as it wasn’t cost effective and/or profitable to do so. Thusly, a lot of software didn’t use the additional Amiga custom hardware (One Publisher who did was “Cinemaware” and look what happened to them!). So, due to these factors “Most” 3D Polygon based games (Even some Bitmapped Titles, Paul Woakes “Backlash” for instance) were, if fact, faster on the ST.

One Last Thing.....
I’m not being “Biased” either way as I owned BOTH machines at the time! Software that was “Machine Specific”, the previously mentioned Cinemaware Tiles for instance were VASTLY superior on the Amiga! (Although, of note, RJ Mical programmed Defender of the Crown for the Company, so as one of the original designers of the Hardware and advocate of the system had an added incentive in making it as impressive as possible!)

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:37 am
by AmigaGamer
Hatari now supports SDL2 scaling and Vsync in its mercurial repository, its a new development build so there might be some bugs.
http://hg.tuxfamily.org/mercurialroot/hatari/hatari

You need SDL2 and development headers installed. Theres guides on the forum for this

grab it with

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hg clone http://hg.tuxfamily.org/mercurialroot/hatari/hatari 
configure with

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./configure --enable-sdl2

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:38 am
by Fidelius
Sine Hatari (v1.62) is in the Raspbian's repository, I apt-get installed it and it runs very smooth on the Pi2. That's wonderful to see what this fine Pi can do out of the box.

However, with some demos or games (like the amazing Carrier Command) there doesn't seem to be any sounds: Hatari prints some messages to the console mentioning some sound buffer thing.

Did other people find a way to "see" sound also for these demos/games with Hatari on the Pi? Thank you.

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:52 am
by welshy
Fidelius
Many 'Demo's' present a problem for Emulators. The Bedroom Coders/Groups who produced them used many 'Tricks' and Non-Standard coding practices to produce results that even the original designers of the Hardware through impossible! For instance I have seen the C64 and Atari 8 Bit computers running Full Screen Digitized Video! (Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXLv7UosQXs), or games running on the Amiga with 4096 Colors, which should only be possible using the 'HAM' (Hold And Modify) Mode with 'Static' screens. Obviously many Emulators cannot reproduce these results as the Original Chip Set isn't being utilized, just an Emulated version of it, but usually the best way to reproduce them (if possible) is to use an Original Bios.

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:14 am
by Fidelius
Welshy, thanks for the explanation which I understand.
So I concentrated on a few games then, where some have sound but a few gems don't have sound on Hatari on the Pi, but on Hatari on a Linux PC.
Has anybody of you experienced the same problem with Hatari on the Pi? (I use the version from the Raspbian repository.)

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:34 pm
by welshy
Fidelius
It could be the re-vision that's in the Repo's, they often aren't the latest one, or come to that, nowhere near it! I haven't found any Issues since the Original Post with TOS v1.02, although I would have to re-check Carrier Command, but I don't recall any problems. Even the Star Trek Sampled/Digitized Game/Tech Demo (it was never actually finished, although released, no problem!)

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:09 am
by Higgy
I thought I saw a message before Christmas that Hatari v1.9 has been released, but I cannot now find it. Although I found a .gz of it on my Hard Drive ?

I tried the command that was posted on an earlier thread hoping it would now pick v1.9:

hg clone http://hg.tuxfamily.org/mercurialroot/hatari/hatari

But 'hg' is not a recognised command? Any help in building v1.9 please.

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:33 am
by welshy
Higgy
Just download it from the Homepage, no need to 'Clone' it!

Link - http://hatari.tuxfamily.org/

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:25 pm
by Higgy
Thanks. Although I don't think there is a compiled binary in there.

I did try compiling from the file I found on my Hard Drive but got errors. There was mention about needing to install 'Cmake' and SDL2 stuff.
I was being lazy and was hoping for a step-by-step guide :) I will see if I can have a look over the weekend at compiling v1.9

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:55 pm
by welshy
Higgy
Nope, it's Source, that's Linux for you! Most sites/Emulators only have a WIN Binary, others have to be compiled. In most cases usually its a straight forward/easy compile though!

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:54 pm
by pik33
I compiled hatari and sdl2 from latest sources. It works slow, unusable. Configured and recompiled with sdl 1.2 works good, but it has problems with ST mono screen which has bad aspect ratio or is (in earlier version of Hatari) blue instead of white.

I will experiment further

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:07 am
by Magic Knight
sudo apt-get install hatari - will install the Atari ST emulator nice and quickly.
download a TOS rom, search Google for - 'Atari ST tos rom', pick a 1.04 for games.
a few games, search Google for - 'Atari ST game roms'
and away you go .......

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:54 am
by welshy
Magic Knight
Careful with the Links! Might I suggest removing the Link from your post as to not get the Foundation into trouble!

From the Emulation Thread -
FORUM RULES ON POSTING IN REGARDS TO ROMS/GAME IMAGES
Due to the nature/complexity of Copyright/Intellectual Property Rights Law, which differs significantly from Country to Country, before posting on the Forum regarding Emulation please read the following rules. ROMS/Game Images are prolifically available on the Internet (a quick search in your favourite Web Browser should suffice), however, to protect the Raspberry Pi Foundation from possible legal action by the Copyright Owners please DO NOT -

1. Ask for ROMS/Game Images
2. Ask where they can be downloaded
3. Post links to Download Sites and/or ROMS/Game Images

Thank you for your co-operation!

Cheers!
welshy (Emulation Thread Author/Editor)

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:04 am
by Magic Knight
what links ?

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:42 pm
by DavidS
And no mention of Aranym?

for games and demos Hatari is a great emulator, though a little slow in Falcon mode. Given the correct configuration I have yet to find a ST/STE demo that will not run on it correctly. Now TT and Falcon demos are more of a hit and miss.

To the tricks noted above:
What about the 4096 Color paint programs on the Atari ST?

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 10:52 pm
by Brut
Is someone still playing these games? I play Atari ST Rom's with RetroArch Emulator but I want to try Hatari emulator but it can't be found anywhere.

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:40 pm
by 7F20
Having some trouble getting it to run as installed from apt-get. It is asking me for a hitari.nvram file to be in /home/pi/hatari. I can't seem to find that file to put in.

Can anyone help me?

Thanks

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:56 pm
by altharic
It doesn't need it just click ok.

Re: ATARI ST EMULATOR, HATARI

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:31 pm
by 7F20
altharic wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:56 pm
It doesn't need it just click ok.
It's not giving me the option to click ok. It's failing with the missing file error.