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Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:06 pm

I respect the decision of the members and moderators to delete this sub-forum, but some of us might still want to continue their work and discussion on the topic (even though it might not be as fruitful).
For this reason i have created an open forum at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-rpi.
Please to understand that this in no way is supported by or related to The Raspberry Pi Foundation.
I request all of you who are active and want to keep your development going on to stop posting here and start posting at the google-groups.

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Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:33 pm

ric96 wrote:I respect the decision of the members and moderators to delete this sub-forum, but some of us might still want to continue their work and discussion on the topic (even though it might not be as fruitful).
For this reason i have created an open forum at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/android-rpi.
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I request all of you who are active and want to keep your development going on to stop posting here and start posting at the google-groups.

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Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:35 pm

Take it away. It's dead on here.
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Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:49 pm

Actually, it looks a bit dead on Google-groups also! :shock:

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Montala wrote:Actually, it looks a bit dead on Google-groups also! :shock:
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Nah - its not dead over there - it just resting after a long flight from here
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dead parrot? Norwegian Blue?

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Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:30 pm

mahjongg wrote:dead parrot? Norwegian Blue?
2 possibilities
1. Every one just plane simply gave up.
2. Someone's working on it super secretively

I know its 1 but hoping for 2.

And also their are a lot of phone running videocore 4, so its not entirely impossible.
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Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:32 pm

Who is "someone"? The RPF? I don't think they are that much interested.

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mahjongg wrote:Who is "someone"? The RPF? I don't think they are that much interested.
I am hoping broadcom does it as a publicity stunt.
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mahjongg wrote:Who is "someone"? The RPF? I don't think they are that much interested.
I am hoping broadcom does it as a publicity stunt.
What possible return would they get on their investment? Brcm aren't a charity.
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ric96 wrote:
mahjongg wrote:Who is "someone"? The RPF? I don't think they are that much interested.
I am hoping broadcom does it as a publicity stunt.
What possible return would they get on their investment? Brcm aren't a charity.
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ric96 wrote: Advertisement.
Brodcom's share were positively in news at the time of the Pi2 hype.
I can just see the discussion with some Advertising wonk and the CEO or Broadcom, the time between proposal and rejection will be measured in microseconds.
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ric96 wrote: Advertisement.
Brodcom's share were positively in news at the time of the Pi2 hype.
I can just see the discussion with some Advertising wonk and the CEO or Broadcom, the time between proposal and rejection will be measured in microseconds.
Then we might just have to absorb the fact that it aint happening!
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ric96 wrote:Then we might just have to absorb the fact that it aint happening!
Android hasn't been happening for all the time I've had my RPis. I'm surprised it took you so long.
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Android hasn't been happening for all the time I've had my RPis. I'm surprised it took you so long.
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DougieLawson wrote:
ric96 wrote:
mahjongg wrote:Who is "someone"? The RPF? I don't think they are that much interested.
I am hoping broadcom does it as a publicity stunt.
What possible return would they get on their investment? Brcm aren't a charity.
Forgive me for not having read or kept up to date with this subforum but there seems to be quite a negative vibe around Android running on the Pi for some reason. As I said I haven't read all the threads so there maybe something I've missed but I'm also slightly confused by the typical SoC manufacturers support for drivers for their own product. When they release a new SoC they want to target a market or markets and is it normal for them to release the appropriate drivers for their chip? If that is the case then I assume broadcom are not intending the Pi SoC to be used in any android device? Or is it more specific than that as in if a manufacturer wants to use it in an android device then they will need to pay broadcom to write or supply the closed source driver for it? In this case the foundation's aims are met by other OSes and therefore there is no need to go to the expense of supporting Android?

For me the more OSes that are supported the better as it allows more choice and creativity. Android annoys me to a certain degree as on some devices its never as open or as easy to develop as the origins of the software would imply, maybe that's more of an arm issue but it appears to be getting worse with signed bootloaders that stop you from deploying roms onto certain hardware. The Pi would be an interesting way to learn Android development and it may just give something back to the Android community. To this end it would be nice to see Google getting involved to get their OS running on it which they may have been hesitant to do on the Pi 1 due to the limited specs but who knows the Pi 2 might just about be up to the job.

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Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:34 pm

welshblob wrote: Or is it more specific than that as in if a manufacturer wants to use it in an android device then they will need to pay broadcom to write or supply the closed source driver for it? In this case the foundation's aims are met by other OSes and therefore there is no need to go to the expense of supporting Android?
That's just about spot on to the way I see it. Android isn't a teaching platform. The drivers don't exist and there's no desire to create them, hence Android is more dead than Monty Python's parrot.
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welshblob wrote: Or is it more specific than that as in if a manufacturer wants to use it in an android device then they will need to pay broadcom to write or supply the closed source driver for it? In this case the foundation's aims are met by other OSes and therefore there is no need to go to the expense of supporting Android?
That's just about spot on to the way I see it. Android isn't a teaching platform. The drivers don't exist and there's no desire to create them, hence Android is more dead than Monty Python's parrot.
Well that's made it a bit clearer, thanks Dougie. Of course other companies can choose to support the Pi and I'll be paying particular attention to the Windows 10 IoT support for the Pi2 and how MS position that. I think for Android support the only hope would be google but they'd need a commercial angle out of it to make it worth it and I'm not sure what that would be.

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Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:09 pm

Do note that you would need to pay one or more broadcom engineers to write the accelerated video drivers that are needed for Android, they are the only ones sufficiently familiar with the GPU to write them. Freeing the GPU details seems to not have magically produced coders who could do the job (for free). :roll:

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Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:16 pm

Just read all the threads here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=73 every single one ends in a dead-end.

I reckon if Google were interested in Android on a RPi we'd have it up and running now. If Broadcom were interested they'd have helped and encouraged Google. The Windows IoT stuff and the Ubuntu Snappy stuff appear to have been driven by Microsoft and Canonical with a small amount of help from the Foundation & Broadcom.

Google seems to have gone in another direction with Chromebooks and Chromecast. Whether that is because of the somewhat crippled ARMv6 we'll never know.
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DougieLawson wrote:Just read all the threads here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=73 every single one ends in a dead-end.

I reckon if Google were interested in Android on a RPi we'd have it up and running now. If Broadcom were interested they'd have helped and encouraged Google. The Windows IoT stuff and the Ubuntu Snappy stuff appear to have been driven by Microsoft and Canonical with a small amount of help from the Foundation & Broadcom.

Google seems to have gone in another direction with Chromebooks and Chromecast. Whether that is because of the somewhat crippled ARMv6 we'll never know.
AFAIK Google would be the last one to even think of android on the pi as they mostly rely on companies or community for the development if android on devices. They are too busy developing android for nexys devices.
And any company/individual who needs to develop android for pi would need to pay broadcom for drivers.
The drivers that were open sourced by broadcom as a "birthday gift" was just a publicity stunt and I haven't seen them being used anywhere exept to win the 10k bounty. They are not that useful.
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:24 am

For me the more OSes that are supported the better as it allows more choice and creativity.
This is a common misconception - as Barry Schwartz notes, believing it is deeply engrained in our drinking water.

The fact is that more often than not, increasing choice leads to decreased happiness.

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And, no, I'm not just blowing steam. There are real, tangible reasons why adding things like Ubuntu, Windows, and Android to the Pi mix will lead to less, not greater, overall happiness.
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Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:27 am

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For me the more OSes that are supported the better as it allows more choice and creativity.
This is a common misconception - as Barry Schwartz notes, believing it is deeply engrained in our drinking water.

The fact is that more often than not, increasing choice leads to decreased happiness.

Check out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM

And, no, I'm not just blowing steam. There are real, tangible reasons why adding things like Ubuntu, Windows, and Android to the Pi mix will lead to less, not greater, overall happiness.
PC users have greater no. Of choices, Its all about choosing what's best for you and does what you want #Linux.
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