just a couple of last questions.

[ric96]

What do we need and what are we missing to run android on the pi?

[DougieLawson]

What do we need and what are we missing to run android on the pi?

A new processor, more memory and a collection of folks who have actually have some interest in getting Android running.

At the moment there is just one regular forum poster (with about 500 posts) who thinks Android might be possible and he just keeps spamming the forum with crazy questions like this one.

ANDROID ON THE RPi IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

[ric96]

What do we need and what are we missing to run android on the pi?

A new processor, more memory and a collection of folks who have actually have some interest in getting Android running.

At the moment there is just one regular forum poster (with about 500 posts) who thinks Android might be possible and he just keeps spamming the forum with crazy questions like this one.

ANDROID ON THE RPi IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Agreed on the "collection of folks" part.
i Know that android on raspi are not going to happen. AFAIK it has nothing to do with ram or cpu as i have seen even 2.3 work perfectly on devices with less juice than the pi and it works like crap on the pi. It has some thing to do with graphics (not the hardware but the software) and thats what i am asking.
What "software" parts are we missing?

[fruitoftheloom]

The whole SoC Driver Stack is not implemented, and this has been regurgitated so many times, it is about time the Android Forum was deleted as it is just flogging a dead ass

[jamesh]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

[jamesh]

What do we need and what are we missing to run android on the pi?

A new processor, more memory and a collection of folks who have actually have some interest in getting Android running.

At the moment there is just one regular forum poster (with about 500 posts) who thinks Android might be possible and he just keeps spamming the forum with crazy questions like this one.

ANDROID ON THE RPi IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Agreed on the "collection of folks" part.
i Know that android on raspi are not going to happen. AFAIK it has nothing to do with ram or cpu as i have seen even 2.3 work perfectly on devices with less juice than the pi and it works like crap on the pi. It has some thing to do with graphics (not the hardware but the software) and thats what i am asking.
What "software" parts are we missing?

The libraries that convert the Android graphics stack to run the VC4 GPU graphics is missing, along with some memory management libraries that work over the ARM and GPU. That's why Android is slow, no graphics acceleration. The VC4 is capable enough, and there have been libraries done for other chips using the VC4 and there are phones out there using them (Samsung Grand Duo for example)

[mikerr]

What would android bring?
Lots of apps, but they are mostly touch orientated.

IMO people who want android are really asking for netflix...

[ric96]

The libraries that convert the Android graphics stack to run the VC4 GPU graphics is missing, along with some memory management libraries that work over the ARM and GPU. That's why Android is slow, no graphics acceleration. The VC4 is capable enough, and there have been libraries done for other chips using the VC4 and there are phones out there using them (Samsung Grand Duo for example)

So, IF broadcom wanted, they can cook an android image for the pi??

[ric96]

What would android bring?
Lots of apps, but they are mostly touch orientated.

IMO people who want android are really asking for netflix...

i do work on andriod-x86 a lot and its not that bad

[DougieLawson]

i do work on andriod-x86 a lot and its not that bad

Stick with that and forget all ideas of Android (or Nandroid, Notdroid & Ordroid) on the RPi. Android on the RPi is non-starter.


https://twitter.com/siranai_bikkuri/sta ... 8585312256

[mikerr]

So, IF broadcom wanted, they can cook an android image for the pi??

Not broadcom, the RPi foundation.


The problem is more political than technical IMO.

Android doesn't fit in with the foundation's education aims (as much as linux)
So there wasn't the time & money thrown at it
- and don't underestimate how much of both would be needed.

Would have been better if they never showed an 80% working smooth android in 2012 and later changing their mind
http://www.raspberrypi.org/android-4-0-is-coming/

[Joe Schmoe]

Is this forum really still here???

[fruitoftheloom]

Is this forum really still here???

Unfortunately it is

[RobHenry]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

[DirkS]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

You can say (almost) whatever you want. It doesn't need its own section in the forum though.
There are other OS's that are more relevant that don't have their own section...

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

I tend to go down here to have a good laugh...

[ric96]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewt ... 73&t=94463

[fruitoftheloom]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

Android does not fit the learning goals of the RPF Mission Statement.

Spending money to compile Android would not be recouped in extra revenue.

Let's face it there are plenty of alternatives for running Android, a TV Stick is under $40.00

[jamesh]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

What a bizarre post. Are you serious that you think closing the Android forum here, because Android doesn't run on the Pi (and likely never will on the Bcm2825), is infringing your free speech? The reason for closing the forum would not be to suppress anything, but because the forum is basically pointless and wastes time and space (time moderating etc). The same questions keep coming up, with the same answers. So there really is no reason to allow any more posts in it. The position on Android is not likely to change - there simply isn't the money or inclination to port it.

In answer to another question above, which has been answered before btw, to port it would require work from both Broadcom and the Foundation. Since the Brcm team that build the VC4 has now been disbanded, it would be a more difficult job that ever. Not impossible, just a PITA.

[RobHenry]

Hm, I did ask to have this forum closed, and we did decide that was probably the right idea. And then never did it....will ressurect the mod thread.

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

What a bizarre post. Are you serious that you think closing the Android forum here, because Android doesn't run on the Pi (and likely never will on the Bcm2825), is infringing your free speech? The reason for closing the forum would not be to suppress anything, but because the forum is basically pointless and wastes time and space (time moderating etc). The same questions keep coming up, with the same answers. So there really is no reason to allow any more posts in it. The position on Android is not likely to change - there simply isn't the money or inclination to port it.

In answer to another question above, which has been answered before btw, to port it would require work from both Broadcom and the Foundation. Since the Brcm team that build the VC4 has now been disbanded, it would be a more difficult job that ever. Not impossible, just a PITA.

No, I wasn't being in the least bit serious and I'm sorry for adding to the unnecessary noise by giving a tongue in cheek contribution, which clearly didn't work.

I'll get my coat.

[ric96]

...Since the Brcm team that build the VC4 has now been disbanded, ...

huh... that's surprising

[fruitoftheloom]

...Since the Brcm team that build the VC4 has now been disbanded, ...

huh... that's surprising

No not surprising that has been posted about in the Engineers at Broadcom being made redundant posts

[fruitoftheloom]

http://anholt.livejournal.com

Regards VideoCore Drivers

[DougieLawson]

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

That's largely due to the deficiencies of the PHPBB3 software that runs this forum. If you choose http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/searc ... nreadposts it doesn't allow you to define any subfora that should be ignored. Trying to keep up with a busy forum (100-200 post/day) any other way than through the unreadposts dialog is impossible.

BTW, there's no First Amendment in England & Wales or Scotland (there's constitution that could be amended). There is no such thing as "free speech" in our Sceptred Isles.

[jamesh]

So the I'm r-pi foundation will suppress free speech because it doesn't align with certain views of what the device should be used for. That'll just push the movement underground and make it even more dangerous and subversive.

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

What a bizarre post. Are you serious that you think closing the Android forum here, because Android doesn't run on the Pi (and likely never will on the Bcm2825), is infringing your free speech? The reason for closing the forum would not be to suppress anything, but because the forum is basically pointless and wastes time and space (time moderating etc). The same questions keep coming up, with the same answers. So there really is no reason to allow any more posts in it. The position on Android is not likely to change - there simply isn't the money or inclination to port it.

In answer to another question above, which has been answered before btw, to port it would require work from both Broadcom and the Foundation. Since the Brcm team that build the VC4 has now been disbanded, it would be a more difficult job that ever. Not impossible, just a PITA.

No, I wasn't being in the least bit serious and I'm sorry for adding to the unnecessary noise by giving a tongue in cheek contribution, which clearly didn't work.

I'll get my coat.

Sorry, didn't see the sarcasm! Odd, because I've got sarcasm in my genes!

I guess it because we get serious posts just like it...but thanks for reaffirming my faith that the world isn't completely full of Android dingbats.

[jamesh]

It strikes me as odd that some people who don't want or expect android to be ported to the pi with accelerated video are incapable simply of ignoring those that do.

That's largely due to the deficiencies of the PHPBB3 software that runs this forum. If you choose http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/searc ... nreadposts it doesn't allow you to define any subfora that should be ignored. Trying to keep up with a busy forum (100-200 post/day) any other way than through the unreadposts dialog is impossible.

BTW, there's no First Amendment in England & Wales or Scotland (there's constitution that could be amended). There is no such thing as "free speech" in our Sceptred Isles.

I belveie there is a forum revamp being planned. Not sure when or whether the Foundation are open to suggestions - will try and find out.