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External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:15 pm

So I have just ordered the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B, and I can not find anything on the internet of anyone attaching (and using) an external GPU to the Raspberry.

I know a lot of people who have posted about an External Graphics card have said its "theoretically" possible to hook one up to the little microcomputer but the code to get it working would be a nightmare. I was just curious if anyone has or considered putting an external graphics card on the Raspberry Pi 2. I know the first two models were unable to run too terribly high definition games but the main purpose of my mini project is to get League of Legends to run on the little guy! The other problems I could think of is bottle-necking the graphics or simply not having enough "computer" to properly run the GPU.

I know windows 10 will be coming out soonish (already signed up for the dev program :mrgreen: ) and i am hoping with the ability to run a watered down version of windows that there might also be the possibility to play League on the rasp.

I really do not know what I am asking but maybe someone could shed some light on any of this being possible :D

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:39 am

You are 100% barking up the wrong tree.

1. There's no video card, the GPU is self contained and not upgradable
2. Windows 10 IoT on the Raspberry will NOT be full fat, desktop standard Windows
3. The Raspberry Pi has a 32-bit ARMv6 (Pi1) or ARMv7 (Pi2) processor (not an X86/X86_64) and can NOT run any regular Windows programs. EVERYTHING you run on the Raspberry has to be specially built for the Raspberry
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:21 pm

Lets wake this post from the dead shall we? first off, every single person that posted before me is incorrect. YOU CAN attach an external graphics card provided that there is at least support for the card drivers on the version of linux you are running on your piece of Pi. While it may not be possible to utilize the gpio pin set provided on the pi for this AS EASILY, USB and HDMI can still be used. I have found gpio to mpci kits which make adding a graphics card much easier, but youll get about the same performance from using either usb or hdmi to an external video card powered by its own psu

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:41 am

LetThereBePi wrote:Lets wake this post from the dead shall we? first off, every single person that posted before me is incorrect. YOU CAN attach an external graphics card provided that there is at least support for the card drivers on the version of linux you are running on your piece of Pi. While it may not be possible to utilize the gpio pin set provided on the pi for this AS EASILY, USB and HDMI can still be used. I have found gpio to mpci kits which make adding a graphics card much easier, but youll get about the same performance from using either usb or hdmi to an external video card powered by its own psu
This is completely wrong. Is there such a thing as a USB Graphics card? If there is it won't be as fast as the onboard GPU. What has HDMI got to do with the graphics card? It's a video output, nothing to do with the GPU.
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:14 am

LetThereBePi wrote:first off, every single person that posted before me is incorrect.
You, clearly, didn't read the OPs stuff or the stuff I wrote.

There is the USB MHL to HDMI adapter for some cell phones but you won't be able to run that on a RPi (of any flavour).
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:35 pm

jamesh wrote:
LetThereBePi wrote:Lets wake this post from the dead shall we? first off, every single person that posted before me is incorrect. YOU CAN attach an external graphics card provided that there is at least support for the card drivers on the version of linux you are running on your piece of Pi. While it may not be possible to utilize the gpio pin set provided on the pi for this AS EASILY, USB and HDMI can still be used. I have found gpio to mpci kits which make adding a graphics card much easier, but youll get about the same performance from using either usb or hdmi to an external video card powered by its own psu
This is completely wrong. Is there such a thing as a USB Graphics card? If there is it won't be as fast as the onboard GPU. What has HDMI got to do with the graphics card? It's a video output, nothing to do with the GPU.
There is USB GPUs, but the bandwidth is awful on them(only practical with Thunderbolt)

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:57 pm

Hello all...

My 1st ordered RPi (3B) is still on it's way but since I am interested in this subject for the purpose of exploring the Machine Learning limits on RPi 3B I thought I'd post this find here to get your opinions...

EXP GDC Laptop External Independent Video Card Dock w/ PCI-E - Black
http://www.dx.com/p/exp-gdc-laptop-exte ... ack-404635

Image

Exerpt from the specs:
Interface:
PCI , USB 2.0
Input Interface:
Mini PCI-E(WLAN\WWAN\DMC), Expresscard(34#/54#), NGFF(Slot A), Thunderbolt , HDMI
Hypothetical question:
Would it be possible to run Cuda on the RPi 3b in conjunction with this external device with a nidia cuda enabeled gpu like the GTX 1050/1060/1080 .. ?

Maybe something along the way of this route:
'Raspberry Pi SPI and I2C Tutorial'
https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/ra ... c-tutorial

Ofcourse, being a complete noob at RPi - anything...
I could be barking up a totally wrong shrub'ber(r)y' ... ;P

Greetz,
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:28 pm

The picture of that cable was totally confusing without looking at the link.

The Raspberry has NOTHING even resembling PCI on its mainboard.

The Pi would not have the bandwidth either to make it to make use a gtx10x0 card in any effective way.
If you want to do PC stuff, buy a PC.

SPI = 30Mb/s
16x PCIe 3.0 = 15GB/s ( aprox. 4000 times faster ??)

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 am

Hi...
I'm new here and i don't exactly know what i am doing but i thought you might be able to shed some light on something I've been wondering

is it possible to add this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Install ... .26.peO3vd. to the raspberry pi and have that work with an external graphics card.

Thanks all :D

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:58 pm

Still looks like it depends on PCI or USB3 so "NO".

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:31 pm

RasklyPizza42 wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:52 am
Hi...
I'm new here and i don't exactly know what i am doing but i thought you might be able to shed some light on something I've been wondering

is it possible to add this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Install ... .26.peO3vd. to the raspberry pi and have that work with an external graphics card.
Duplicate of viewtopic.php?f=67&t=192514&p=1206970
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:41 pm

Was there something about the No in the previous thread that was a bit vague?

You cannot add a faster graphics card to the Pi; you cannot attach to the GPU and the USB is 2.0 so too slow for the sort of video you need.
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:58 am

Digging up an old post with half an answer?

There is a way to use Zero's as external Graphics cards.
It will be limited to the USB speed.

I have been playing with Ultibo and Zero's and doing OpenVG with the kernel.img booting via the USB.
ie no SD card required https://ultibo.org/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=30

The advantage of OpenVG is less data for the graphics stream.
I am not sure, but is there a way to do displays over network/USB via VG instead of raster bitmaps?

This won't get you League of Legends but it could be regarded as an external Graphics card and a cheap one at that.
And you don't have to stick with just one Zero :lol:
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:57 am

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:58 am
Digging up an old post with half an answer?

There is a way to use Zero's as external Graphics cards.
It will be limited to the USB speed.

I have been playing with Ultibo and Zero's and doing OpenVG with the kernel.img booting via the USB.
ie no SD card required https://ultibo.org/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=30

The advantage of OpenVG is less data for the graphics stream.
I am not sure, but is there a way to do displays over network/USB via VG instead of raster bitmaps?

This won't get you League of Legends but it could be regarded as an external Graphics card and a cheap one at that.
And you don't have to stick with just one Zero :lol:
Interesting, but looks to be the reverse of what the OP was asking, or at least near zero gain over the GPU that is built into the host Pi.
It could make for a nice multi-monitor setup all controlled from one host, but being limited to VG would be restricting. info-beamer is possibly a better setup for that at the moment.
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:48 am

https://info-beamer.com/pi
I hate reinventing the wheel :(
Unless I intend to learn the ancient craft of the wheelwright ;)

What was that other Pi commercial software than ran dos/win stuff natively in translated ARM not emulated?
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:18 pm

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Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:48 am
https://info-beamer.com/pi
I hate reinventing the wheel :(
Unless I intend to learn the ancient craft of the wheelwright ;)

What was that other Pi commercial software than ran dos/win stuff natively in translated ARM not emulated?
League of Legends is 2009, is it old enough to run on this?

Exagear still uses an emulated layer to run Linux x86 and then WINE on top to run "some" Windows software:

https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/

At least they do offer a free trial :shock:
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:30 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:48 am
https://info-beamer.com/pi
I hate reinventing the wheel :(
Unless I intend to learn the ancient craft of the wheelwright ;)

What was that other Pi commercial software than ran dos/win stuff natively in translated ARM not emulated?
League of Legends is 2009, is it old enough to run on this?
I prefer http://rpix86.patrickaalto.com/ for my PC based stuff....

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:37 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:48 am
League of Legends is 2009, is it old enough to run on this?
Just google LoL PC requirements to see how completely futile this whole discussion is.

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:12 am

3 GHz processor.
2 GB of RAM (4 GB of RAM for Windows Vista and higher)
12 GB available hard disk space.
Nvidia GeForce 8800/AMD Radeon HD 5670 or equivalent video card (Dedicated GPU with 512MB or higher Video Memory(VRAM))
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better.

I don't think these guys could do it then ;)
https://eltechs.com/product/exagear-desktop/

The OP was 2+ years ago, some progress has been made since then, some OpenGL games now work.

Now that someone has proved it is possible, accelerated graphics on Win10 IoT?
Maybe MS are waiting on Vulkan? Hmm, no Vulkan on Xbox, MS not interested in our toys?

It is going to be interesting to see what long term effect the Pi's digital disruption will have on MS's business model.
The gaming industry might be worried too, who plays the latest games on Win10? The platforms are tightly controlled.

I only have one old Win7 box for games now, all the rest have been Linuxed, Wine works well for most on my old games.
Are games on a Desktop doomed?

Where are the games specific to Pi's.
15Million? is a small market but it is growing fast.
The GPU is well know now and is the same on all Pi's.
Where are the games? Not old one ported, but new ones just for Pi fans.
Not toy ones done with scratch.

Are there any game houses looking at Pi games?
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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:23 am

Hello tomo

im pretty new at RasPi but i think i have seen PCI-E HATs for raspi but im not sure what those do but if thats workd like i think it would be possible to maybe run that pci-e gpu dock thingy but i don't know what hapend after that you connect it and i havent seen any videos about it
only thing close i have seen is 1 guy connect that dock to raspberry like intel pc with celeron processor

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Re: External Graphics Card? (League of Legends)

Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:33 am

This thread is from years ago, and it was established already that this is not possible.

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