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Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:02 am

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:18 am



Curious to know what the hardware Revision Code for an 8gb RPi4 will be, since the documentation specifies a 3-bit field for Memory Size -
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:21 am

B.Goode wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:18 am


Curious to know what the hardware Revision Code for an 8gb RPi4 will be, since the documentation specifies a 3-bit field for Memory Size -
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md
Which has reminded me I need to update that page!
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 am

Is this a name change only, and existing Raspbian buster installations will update to "Raspberry PI OS"?

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 am

Great,this will finally stop the confusion on the ARM vs x86 OS naming !!

Raspbian.org has still says
www.raspian.org wrote: Raspbian is a community funded and supported free software effort.

Note: Raspbian is not affiliated with the Raspberry Pi Foundation. Raspbian was created by a small, dedicated team of developers that are fans of the Raspberry Pi hardware, the educational goals of the Raspberry Pi Foundation and, of course, the Debian Project.
So I guess it's now been formally taken over ?
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:34 am

Can we get an official abbreviation ASAP please? :)


RPiOS ?

RPIOS ?

RPOS ?

[edit]

And of course all the variants

RPiOS64 ? etc

and which will be the default - the 32bit or the 64 bit?

THE BIG QUESTIONS :)

[/edit]

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:46 am

mattmiller wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:34 am
Can we get an official abbreviation ASAP please? :)


RPiOS ?

RPIOS ?

RPOS ?

[edit]

And of course all the variants

RPiOS64 ? etc

and which will be the default - the 32bit or the 64 bit?

THE BIG QUESTIONS :)

[/edit]
I did ask Da Management, but no suggestions were forthcoming. 'raspios' is what we are using for download image naming. I'm going with PIOS!

Default is 32bit. 64 is still very much a beta.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:48 am

raspberrypi-kernel-headers only raspberrypi-kernel-headers:armhf.

Where do you post and whoop thanks for Raspbian64.
PS obviously rapios pronounced rapeyos
But really raspios via the download name.
So guess ra-spi-os depending on how posh you are.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:50 am

To answer my own question raspbian vs RPiOS above, I found this from Eben in the blog comments:
Eben wrote:[Raspberry Pi OS is ] just an overdue naming change to discriminate between Raspbian (the independent open source project) and the 32-bit images that Raspberry Pi builds on top of it.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 8:57 am

B.Goode wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:18 am


Curious to know what the hardware Revision Code for an 8gb RPi4 will be, since the documentation specifies a 3-bit field for Memory Size -
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

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cat /proc/cpuinfo
Revision        : d03114
Serial          : 10000000d537eb87
Model           : Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.4

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 10:43 am

mikerr wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 am
Great,this will finally stop the confusion on the ARM vs x86 OS naming !!
I doubt it. And I predict it will only prompt more pedantic postings which quote an OP's post in full merely to add "It's not called Raspbian".

I expect a great deal of confusion with Raspbian still existing separate to Raspberry Pi OS, there are lots of forum posts and articles which refer to Raspbian.

And I would expect to see even greater confusion should someone ask; what's the best Raspberry Pi OS to use ?

Will that be a question of Lite, Desktop or Desktop with Recommended Software, or are they asking about a Raspberry Pi OS as an alternative to Raspberry Pi OS; Ubuntu, Win 10 IOT, RISC-OS, etc ?

But it's a done deal now.

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 10:48 am

timg236 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:57 am
Revision : d03114
Model : Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.4
I guess no one will be saying what happened to Rev 1.3

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 10:59 am

hippy wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:43 am
mikerr wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 am
Great,this will finally stop the confusion on the ARM vs x86 OS naming !!
I doubt it. And I predict it will only prompt more pedantic postings which quote an OP's post in full merely to add "It's not called Raspbian".

I expect a great deal of confusion with Raspbian still existing separate to Raspberry Pi OS, there are lots of forum posts and articles which refer to Raspbian.

And I would expect to see even greater confusion should someone ask; what's the best Raspberry Pi OS to use ?

Will that be a question of Lite, Desktop or Desktop with Recommended Software, or are they asking about a Raspberry Pi OS as an alternative to Raspberry Pi OS; Ubuntu, Win 10 IOT, RISC-OS, etc ?

But it's a done deal now.

Yes even more confusion as it will be both ARMHF & ARM64, so even more people seeing software for 64bit software will be confused between ARM & x86.

Then eventually we will have a x86-64 Debian Release.

Yep just an ongoing mess of confusion, maybe we should ask all posters to ??

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cat /etc/os-release

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cat /proc/cpuinfo

As the default information to be included ??
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 11:27 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 10:59 am
Yep just an ongoing mess of confusion, maybe we should ask all posters to ??

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cat /etc/os-release
Maybe. Fortunately for me I'm already running Raspberry Pi OS and, for once, I am ahead of the curve with a 64-bit kernel.

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PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="10"
VERSION="10 (buster)"
VERSION_CODENAME=buster
ID=raspbian
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianForums"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs"

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Linux Pi4B 5.4.42-v8+ #1319 SMP PREEMPT Wed May 20 14:18:56 BST 2020 aarch64 GNU/Linux

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 12:00 pm

Same here and ran into my first problem with custom drivers as the kernel headers are just for armhf still.

raspberrypi-kernel-headers only raspberrypi-kernel-headers:armhf

Did post earlier and also wondering is there going to be a seperate forum space or just in advanced?

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm

stuartiannaylor wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:00 pm
Did post earlier and also wondering is there going to be a seperate forum space or just in advanced?
Under discussion.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 12:51 pm

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm
stuartiannaylor wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:00 pm
Did post earlier and also wondering is there going to be a seperate forum space or just in advanced?
Under discussion.
OK, so rather than adad new forum sections specifically for RASPIOS64, since its should be functionally identical to the 32bit version, we are going to suggest if you find problems with it, to use our github issues repo to report them, rather than on here (which gets more engineer eyeballs anyway)

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues

I'd suggest adding [raspios64] to the title of any bug report.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 1:13 pm

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:51 pm
jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm
stuartiannaylor wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:00 pm
Did post earlier and also wondering is there going to be a seperate forum space or just in advanced?
Under discussion.
OK, so rather than adad new forum sections specifically for RASPIOS64, since its should be functionally identical to the 32bit version, we are going to suggest if you find problems with it, to use our github issues repo to report them, rather than on here (which gets more engineer eyeballs anyway)

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues

I'd suggest adding [raspios64] to the title of any bug report.
That's NOT where Gordon said to report problems... He said to use https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... bit/issues (which I have done).

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 1:24 pm

is this ready for "primetime" or still needs a few more feedback/tweak recommendations from volunteer testers?
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 1:48 pm

mikerr wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:24 am
Great,this will finally stop the confusion on the ARM vs x86 OS naming !!

Raspbian.org has still says
www.raspian.org wrote: Raspbian is a community funded and supported free software effort.

Note: Raspbian is not affiliated with the Raspberry Pi Foundation. Raspbian was created by a small, dedicated team of developers that are fans of the Raspberry Pi hardware, the educational goals of the Raspberry Pi Foundation and, of course, the Debian Project.
So I guess it's now been formally taken over ?
As cofounder of raspbian I would like to clarify the situation. There is no takeover here just some clearing up of terminology.

The raspbian project still exists and will continue to exist to provide an armv6 hardfloat rebuild of Debian. We are not controlled by the raspberry pi foundation/trading, though they do support us by providing some hosting services and paying for some of my time.

On top of this base various parties including but not limited to the raspberry pi foundation/trading built customized images. In practice the majority of raspbian users used the raspberry pi foundation's raspbian images and their images were often just reffered to as "raspbian". Over the years the delta between "plain raspbian" and "raspberry pi foundation raspbian images" has grown.

For a while now raspberry pi have been considering 64-bit images, Eben sent me an email asking my opinion about nomanclature and I expressed that I would not be pleased about the use of the name "Raspbian" for images that did not contain anything from Raspbian. Using the term "Debian" would also be problematic as Debian are also building their own images for the Raspberry pi.

So Raspberry pi have decided to use the term "Raspberry pi OS" for their operating system images going forward. Roughly speaking that leaves us with the following.

"raspberry pi 32-bit OS" = raspbian base userland + raspberry pi kernels (32-bit and 64-bit) + raspberry pi UI and graphics stack enhancements + raspberry pi additional software

"raspberry pi 64-bit OS" = debian arm64 base userland + raspberry pi 64-bit kernel + raspberry pi UI and graphics stack enhancements + raspberry pi additional software

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 2:05 pm

PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 1:13 pm
jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:51 pm
jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:08 pm


Under discussion.
OK, so rather than adad new forum sections specifically for RASPIOS64, since its should be functionally identical to the 32bit version, we are going to suggest if you find problems with it, to use our github issues repo to report them, rather than on here (which gets more engineer eyeballs anyway)

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues

I'd suggest adding [raspios64] to the title of any bug report.
That's NOT where Gordon said to report problems... He said to use https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... bit/issues (which I have done).

PeterO
Shame he didn't tell me that. Thanks for the update, didn't even know that repo existed.
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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 2:10 pm

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 2:05 pm
PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 1:13 pm
jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 12:51 pm


OK, so rather than adad new forum sections specifically for RASPIOS64, since its should be functionally identical to the 32bit version, we are going to suggest if you find problems with it, to use our github issues repo to report them, rather than on here (which gets more engineer eyeballs anyway)

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues

I'd suggest adding [raspios64] to the title of any bug report.
That's NOT where Gordon said to report problems... He said to use https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... bit/issues (which I have done).

PeterO
Shame he didn't tell me that. Thanks for the update, didn't even know that repo existed.
A drawback of you not all being "in the office" I guess...

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm

Hello I am trying to upgrade to Pi OS from Buster.

I have tried the following :
sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
sudo apt update
sudo apt -y dist-upgrade

when I run cat /etc/os-release I get the following:
PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="10"
VERSION="10 (buster)"
VERSION_CODENAME=buster
ID=raspbian
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianForums"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs"

How do I update the distro from buster to Pi OS?

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 5:54 pm

CodeChomper wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm
How do I update the distro from buster to Pi OS?
It's just a name change. The OS itself is still the same as before...

See @plugwash's explanation of the situation a couple of posts up from yours

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Re: Goodbye Raspbian hello Raspberry Pi OS

Thu May 28, 2020 5:57 pm

CodeChomper wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 3:39 pm
Hello I am trying to upgrade to Pi OS from Buster.

I have tried the following :
sudo apt update
sudo apt full-upgrade
sudo apt update
sudo apt -y dist-upgrade

when I run cat /etc/os-release I get the following:
PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)"
NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="10"
VERSION="10 (buster)"
VERSION_CODENAME=buster
ID=raspbian
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianForums"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs"

How do I update the distro from buster to Pi OS?

When you reboot, if running a version with Desktop, it will state on the splash screen.

https://youtu.be/qD67xfSvQrE

at 0:17 in the video :o
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