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Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 6:42 am

See viewtopic.php?f=117&t=275370 for the announcement 8-)
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Gordon,
Known issues
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2) libraspberrypi0, libraspberrypi-dev and libraspberrypi-doc have been moved out of /opt/vc/* and into /usr/* instead (making it more standard). Any code built against these libraries will require changing to refer to a more standard location (/usr/lib/ rather than /opt/vc/lib)
Can't point 2 be easily dealt with by providing suitable "pkg-config" data for these libraries ?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 6:47 am

PeterO wrote: Can't point 2 be easily dealt with by providing suitable "pkg-config" data for these libraries ?
We do

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 6:57 am

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 6:47 am
PeterO wrote: Can't point 2 be easily dealt with by providing suitable "pkg-config" data for these libraries ?
We do
Are you sure ? You don't on the current 32 bit Raspbian.

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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ pkg-config --list-all | grep rasp
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ pkg-config --cflags libraspberrypi-dev
Package libraspberrypi-dev was not found in the pkg-config search path.
Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libraspberrypi-dev.pc'
to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
No package 'libraspberrypi-dev' found
pi@raspberrypi:~ $ 

I did check before I posted !
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 7:00 am

In the 64-bit image, I mean. It's hard to rework the 32-bit image like that without breaking things for other people. Eventually these changes should become standard in the 32-bit image as well and there may be a 'legacy' /opt/vc/ package.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 7:05 am

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:00 am
In the 64-bit image, I mean. It's hard to rework the 32-bit image like that without breaking things for other people. Eventually these changes should become standard in the 32-bit image as well and there may be a 'legacy' /opt/vc/ package.
So for developers that know how to use pkg-config this is a non-issue, 8-)
It's good that things are being moved towards the generally accepted ways. This is helpful when developing code for both Pi and PC, though I find the situation is already pretty good in that respect especially with the Pi4's mainstream support for openGL ES now being via mesa.

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AND 8Gb as well !!!!!

WOW !
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 am

PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:05 am
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:00 am
In the 64-bit image, I mean. It's hard to rework the 32-bit image like that without breaking things for other people. Eventually these changes should become standard in the 32-bit image as well and there may be a 'legacy' /opt/vc/ package.
So for developers that know how to use pkg-config this is a non-issue, 8-)
It's good that things are being moved towards the generally accepted ways. This is helpful when developing code for both Pi and PC, though I find the situation is already pretty good in that respect especially with the Pi4's mainstream support for openGL ES now being via mesa.

PeterO


AND 8Gb as well !!!!!

WOW !
ridiculous isn't it, that's more than most my laptop's, my phone's and the same as my Dell i5 9300H - 1660ti brand new laptop.

Time to buy one for no reason?

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Time to buy one for no reason?
Yes.
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Thu May 28, 2020 7:31 am

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:20 am
bensimmo wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 am
Time to buy one for no reason?
Yes.
My order from the PiHut is already confirmed :lol:
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 7:36 am

bensimmo wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 am
PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:05 am
AND 8Gb as well !!!!!

WOW !
ridiculous isn't it, that's more than most my laptop's, my phone's and the same as my Dell i5 9300H - 1660ti brand new laptop.

Time to buy one for no reason?
It's certainly more than my high end smartphone and my mid-high end laptop combined have. I'm struggling to think of a use for that much RAM.
My desktop PC (which I use for gaming and video rendering, 3D work and software Compiling) has 8GB of RAM, and even that never uses all 8GB...
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 8:08 am

Imperf3kt wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:36 am
bensimmo wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:17 am
PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:05 am
AND 8Gb as well !!!!!

WOW !
ridiculous isn't it, that's more than most my laptop's, my phone's and the same as my Dell i5 9300H - 1660ti brand new laptop.

Time to buy one for no reason?
It's certainly more than my high end smartphone and my mid-high end laptop combined have. I'm struggling to think of a use for that much RAM.
My desktop PC (which I use for gaming and video rendering, 3D work and software Compiling) has 8GB of RAM, and even that never uses all 8GB...
And yet so many people clamour for it. I don't get it either...but some people have 50 tabs open in their browser for no explicable reason....maybe it's that!
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 11:02 am

Awesome news!

Is there any word on whether hardware acceleration for Chromium is something we might see soon?

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Awesome news!

Is there any word on whether hardware acceleration for Chromium is something we might see soon?
Think there are some changes in the pipeline. No idea of schedule.
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Thu May 28, 2020 12:05 pm

PeterO wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:31 am
My order from the PiHut is already confirmed :lol:
PeterO
Queued up behind my order :)

And I'm running the beta 64-bit OS on an existing 4GB Pi4 (appears so far to work fine).
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Thu May 28, 2020 12:12 pm

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:08 am
And yet so many people clamour for it. I don't get it either...but some people have 50 tabs open in their browser for no explicable reason....maybe it's that!
My x86 PC has 16GB and it gets used.
For the Pi on other hand, 4GB seemed an awful lot - having been used to 1GB for so long. I have still ordered an 8GB one ...

When my eight year old x86 PC finally dies of old age, its looking more and more like a top Pi4 model will be a viable replacement.
Likely a Pi will never be as fast as a high end x86 PC, but the Pi costs about 30 times less, is tiny, silent, and sips power.
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Thu May 28, 2020 12:55 pm

jamesh wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:08 am
And yet so many people clamour for it. I don't get it either...but some people have 50 tabs open in their browser for no explicable reason....maybe it's that!
For me it comes down to work flow. I have XChat running and connected to a number of channels, Chromium with a number of active tabs always open plus whatever I am doing at the time plus usually whatever youtube video I was watching, Calibre, some monitors, often a spreadsheet or three. While I certainly could adopt a workflow that has less tools open and only leave tabs in a browser open when I am actively using them, RAM is a cheap solution. I typically run with the 4Gb used up. With that setup I can sit down at my desk and pick up exactly where I left off. The biggest memory pig is Chromium and when doing research, more RAM is the difference between bookmarking and closing tabs and just leaving them all up when I am going back and forth.

I got the announcement from BuyAPi at 3am and had ordered an 8 GB board by 7. The 4 GB model will move on to my son's desk replacing his 3B+.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 7:06 pm

Will there be a Lite version?

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Cob wrote:
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Will there be a Lite version?
Lets not put the cart before the horse !

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Thu May 28, 2020 8:27 pm

Cob wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 7:06 pm
Will there be a Lite version?
Yes of course, but unlikely while its still in beta.
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 10:46 pm

which kernel?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu May 28, 2020 11:06 pm

cjan wrote:
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which kernel?
5.4

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 2:31 am

FreeCad works now! :mrgreen:

This is awesome!!! Now the entry cost to engineering is ridiculously low.

Thank you Raspberry Pi Team!

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sudo apt install freecad

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