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New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:52 am

I see a newer version of Raspbian Buster is available for download. Am I correct that, I can just do the "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" on my existing Raspbian Buster and that can make system reach the same level of updateness, including the latest SPI EEPROM after a reboot?

i.e. the newer image is only for people want to install a fresh new copy of the Raspbian Buster from a more up-to-date starting point right?

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:28 am

Am I correct that, I can just do the "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" on my existing Raspbian Buster and that can make system reach the same level of updateness,


No.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:34 am

sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade -y; sudo reboot should get you to a similar level as the 2019-09-26 Raspbian but you may miss out on new packages that weren't in the original Buster delivery.
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:45 am

Thank you both for the feedbacks. I will install the new image and start from scratch then.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:06 am

The kernel in that image has been removed from the repo for now. There's a new 64 bit kernel file and some people have partitions that it won't fit on, so I need to add a check that will block the upgrade in those cases. Just to prevent bricked pis.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm

Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:41 pm

thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
There's a link to the release notes on the download page (several links, actually)

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:43 pm

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[email protected]:~ $ uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 4.19.75-v7l+ #1270 SMP Tue Sep 24 18:51:41 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 pm

thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
I guess the main "fix" is the upgrade from Debian Stretch to Debian Buster... (for PC and Mac) With Raspberry Pi Desktop. But I agree, a release notes link wouldn't hurt on the download page.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:04 pm

fbe wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 pm
thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
I guess the main "fix" is the upgrade from Debian Stretch to Debian Buster... (for PC and Mac) With Raspberry Pi Desktop. But I agree, a release notes link wouldn't hurt on the download page.
No, the upgrade from Stretch was in the previous image (June). This topic is *not* about Pi desktop for PC/Mac.
See my post above re release notes...

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:11 pm

fbe wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 pm
thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
I guess the main "fix" is the upgrade from Debian Stretch to Debian Buster... (for PC and Mac) With Raspberry Pi Desktop. But I agree, a release notes link wouldn't hurt on the download page.
I'm not posting about x86/64; I'm on about for Raspberry Pi's -- not desktop.
Thanks, though.

I'll have to search for the release notes! :D
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:21 pm

thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:11 pm
fbe wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 pm
thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:06 pm
Hi...

This is the only post I found with info on the new .ISO -- where can I find a change list? like what's been fixed?
I guess the main "fix" is the upgrade from Debian Stretch to Debian Buster... (for PC and Mac) With Raspberry Pi Desktop. But I agree, a release notes link wouldn't hurt on the download page.
I'm not posting about x86/64; I'm on about for Raspberry Pi's -- not desktop.
Thanks, though.

I'll have to search for the release notes! :D
There are links to the release notes on the Raspbian download page https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/



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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:26 pm

MrEngman wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:21 pm
thatchunkylad198966 wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:11 pm
fbe wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:49 pm

I guess the main "fix" is the upgrade from Debian Stretch to Debian Buster... (for PC and Mac) With Raspberry Pi Desktop. But I agree, a release notes link wouldn't hurt on the download page.
I'm not posting about x86/64; I'm on about for Raspberry Pi's -- not desktop.
Thanks, though.

I'll have to search for the release notes! :D
There are links to the release notes on the Raspbian download page https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

MrEngman
Sorry, my misunderstanding came from "ISO". There is no ISO with Raspbian whereas the release notes for Raspbian are quite easy to find...

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:41 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:34 am
sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade -y; sudo reboot should get you to a similar level as the 2019-09-26 Raspbian but you may miss out on new packages that weren't in the original Buster delivery.
I did that, and quite some packages were installed.
But there was neither difference in /etc/osrelease nor in "uname -a" after reboot.

I am after new "-dn" option of raspivid, and that was not available either.
So I did "sudo rpi-update" and rebooted.
Only "uname -a" is different now:

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[email protected]:~ $ diff <(cat /etc/os-release && uname -a) o.txt
11c11
< Linux raspberrypi4B 4.19.75-v7l+ #1271 SMP Mon Sep 30 13:51:15 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
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> Linux raspberrypi4B 4.19.66-v7l+ #1253 SMP Thu Aug 15 12:02:08 BST 2019 armv7l GNU/Linux
[email protected]:~ $ 
But I got new "-dn" option, will test that when back home on weekend:

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[email protected]:~ $ raspivid | grep dn
-dn, --dispnum	: Display on which to display the preview window (dispmanx/tvservice numbering)
[email protected]:~ $ 
⇨https://stamm-wilbrandt.de/en/Raspberry_camera.html

https://github.com/Hermann-SW/Raspberry_v1_camera_global_external_shutter
https://stamm-wilbrandt.de/github_repo_i420toh264
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:18 am

Edit: I did not understand it correctly, please ignore my message earlier below.
@HermannSW, I guess your observation is related to ShiftPlusOne's message:
The kernel in that image has been removed from the repo for now. There's a new 64 bit kernel file and some people have partitions that it won't fit on, so I need to add a check that will block the upgrade in those cases. Just to prevent bricked pis.
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:49 am

bertlea wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:18 am
@HermannSW, I guess your observation is related to ShiftPlusOne's message:
The kernel in that image has been removed from the repo for now. There's a new 64 bit kernel file and some people have partitions that it won't fit on, so I need to add a check that will block the upgrade in those cases. Just to prevent bricked pis.
ShiftPlusOne's message is related to this thread: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... 6&t=253259
Unless specified otherwise my response is based on the latest and fully updated Raspbian Buster w/ Desktop OS.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:13 am

DougieLawson wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:34 am
sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade -y; sudo reboot should get you to a similar level as the 2019-09-26 Raspbian but you may miss out on new packages that weren't in the original Buster delivery.
What exactly may we be missing out on that wasn't in the original Buster delivery?

Couldn't they simply be added if needed with sudo apt-get install pkg.name??

To re-iterate, is this the recommended way to upgrade the original Buster image?
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo rpi-update

Since It took an absurd amount of time to build OpenCV on Buster, starting over is not happening anytime soon.

The status of rpi-update is fuzzy for me right now, as in this thread I see it recommended as "needed" but in others its "obsolete" and should not be used.

Inquiring minds what to know.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:20 am

wally333 wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:13 am
What exactly may we be missing out on that wasn't in the original Buster delivery?

Couldn't they simply be added if needed with sudo apt-get install pkg.name??

To re-iterate, is this the recommended way to upgrade the original Buster image?
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo rpi-update

Since It took an absurd amount of time to build OpenCV on Buster, starting over is not happening anytime soon.
Nobody knows, unless there's a list of new and changed packages (about which I care not a jot).
rpi-update NOTICE.md wrote:HASH: 152b6b858d2f6b94fa398fa4545d5e130ab24434
#############################################################
WARNING: 'rpi-update' updates to pre-releases of the linux
kernel tree and Videocore firmware.

'rpi-update' should only be used if there is a specific
reason to do so - for example, a request by a Raspberry Pi
engineer.

DO NOT use 'rpi-update' as part of a regular update process.

##############################################################
Do NOT EVER run rpi-update unless an expert tells you to run it.
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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Thanks for the definitive answer.

I appreciate it.

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:16 pm

If the rpi-eeprom program hasn't come down with a full-upgrade, you'll need to apt install it

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:29 pm

bensimmo wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:16 pm
If the rpi-eeprom program hasn't come down with a full-upgrade, you'll need to apt install it
What is the purpose of rpi-eeprom? Why would I need it?

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Re: New Raspbian Buster image (Sep. 2019)

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:46 pm

It updates (or allows you to update if you set it to manual) the bootcode.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... teeprom.md


And its changelog
(Unsure which version we're on, I thought we had the Sdram tweaks, but it still says beta in the changelog.)
https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eepr ... e-notes.md

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