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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:52 pm

PeterO wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:12 pm
spl23 wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:12 pm
PeterO wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:50 am
Is there some configuration that can stop desktop items appearing on both monitors ?
Not to my knowledge. It's probably theoretically possible to tell PCmanFM to only show the contents of the Desktop folder on one monitor, but it would be a code change, not a config change. I'll put it on the list of things to look into at some point, as I can see why it is annoying...
Thanks.

Can we start a "snags" list somewhere ? For example it seems that minimizing a window on the second monitor and then expanding it does not remove the "[ ..... ]" around the window name in the task bar.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:54 am

impuce wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:00 am
Would like to know when it will be possible to do a dist-upgrade from Stretch to Buster for a Pi 3b. I have a webserver set up with a lot of data and I don't want to start all over.
I finished upgrade of stretch on Pi 3B+ to buster using described procedure and all works fine. I have now upgraded kernel to the latest 4.19.56 and no issues. During kernel upgrade it warns me that my boot partition is small (actually it is only 41MB) but so far so good. Not sure if 256 MB boot partition size applies only to Pi 4 or later more stuff will be added for other Pis as well and small partitions might be not enough.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:04 pm

On the Pi 3B+, can the FKMS driver and xcompmgr compositing window manager be enabled? If yes, will there be any benefit?

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:07 pm

dutta_d1 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:04 pm
On the Pi 3B+, can the FKMS driver and xcompmgr compositing window manager be enabled? If yes, will there be any benefit?
Yes, they can. There will be no particular benefit unless you want to run OpenGL applications on the desktop - it will then use hardware acceleration to run them.

Enabling FKMS is an option in the command line raspi-config tool; xcompmgr automatically runs on any Pi which is booted with the latest Buster image and FKMS enabled.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:10 pm

spl23 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:07 pm
dutta_d1 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:04 pm
On the Pi 3B+, can the FKMS driver and xcompmgr compositing window manager be enabled? If yes, will there be any benefit?
Yes, they can. There will be no particular benefit unless you want to run OpenGL applications on the desktop - it will then use hardware acceleration to run them.

Enabling FKMS is an option in the command line raspi-config tool; xcompmgr automatically runs on any Pi which is booted with the latest Buster image and FKMS enabled.
what about Full-KMS & xcompmgr, does it work too?

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 BUG

Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:33 am

jamesh wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:04 pm
PeterO wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:51 pm
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:31 pm


We don't support multiple desktop switching (it was removed in wheezy) so the tools to support it are not guaranteed to work in our image; use them at your own risk and don't expect them to be supported.

I expect I said so at the time, but this is very short sighted ! And even more so now that the PI4 is capable of running more things at once and is being positioned as a PC replacement, then the lack of multiple desktops looks an even poorer decision.

But having just installed the plugin to try it, yes, that menu option does start obconf.

The new package doesn't seem to have updated on the servers yet - if you are in a hurry, just temporarily change /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list to access the stretch version of the repo and install it from there.
Just got a load of kernel updates but still no obconf. Tried changing that file but apt-get install claims "obconf is already the newest version (1:2.0.4+git20150213-2)."

PeterO
TBH, you might be the only person I know who uses multiple desktops. I always find them very clunky.
I just updated the OS and I am another user that will miss multiple desktops a lot. In my opinion it allows to nicely separate applications especially when you work on a single screen. I hope there will be a solution or my productivity will be much lower with RPI.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 BUG

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:26 am

carminemasiello wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:33 am


I just updated the OS and I am another user that will miss multiple desktops a lot. In my opinion it allows to nicely separate applications especially when you work on a single screen. I hope there will be a solution or my productivity will be much lower with RPI.
Despite "We don't support multiple desktop switching (it was removed in wheezy) so the tools to support it are not guaranteed to work in our image; use them at your own risk and don't expect them to be supported." The tools are all still there and all work OK.
Just make sure you're up to date, then just add the desktop pager to the tool bar and configure the number of desktops you want... Simples :-)
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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:07 pm

So, do we need to wait for a new Raspian release that will help ours Raspberry Pi 4 to work on 64 bits?
In this moment is the Buster is working on 32 bits, and it shows ARM v7... which is not what I actually bought it by the spects..

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:39 pm

dumitrudany wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:07 pm
So, do we need to wait for a new Raspian release that will help ours Raspberry Pi 4 to work on 64 bits?
In this moment is the Buster is working on 32 bits, and it shows ARM v7... which is not what I actually bought it by the spects..
With a little bit of effort you can find everything you need to know on the forum.
You got exactly that what is in the specs, all you need to do is to install a 64bit linux distribution.
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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:07 pm

Is java installed with "Raspian Buster with Desktop"?

I am sure it was in previous (i.e Stretch) desktop only releases but "java -version" shows no java is installed.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:19 pm

crosland wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:07 pm
Is java installed with "Raspian Buster with Desktop"?

I am sure it was in previous (i.e Stretch) desktop only releases but "java -version" shows no java is installed.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:40 pm

I have now tried the full release and that does include Java.

So the question becomes why has java been removed from the desktop only release? I am sure it was included with the Stretch eqivalent.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:05 pm

I have a desktop icon in /home/pi/desktop that runs an executable script

In order to run this without being prompted whether I really want to run it, I can set the "Don't ask options on launch executable file" preference in File Manager. This seems to be a change from Stretch (a retrograde change for my use case).

How can I set this option from a script?

I.e. I have a script that runs on a fresh Raspbian image that downloads and installs some software and creates the desktop icon. I want that script to set the File Manager option, rather than having to set it through the File Manager GUI.

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:19 pm

crosland wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:40 pm
I have now tried the full release and that does include Java.

So the question becomes why has java been removed from the desktop only release? I am sure it was included with the Stretch eqivalent.

There are 3 versions of Buster:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/

Sometime in November 2018 the previous Raspbian Stretch was spilt..

...basically Desktop which is Lite + Raspberry Pi Desktop.

...then the full fat versions with all the additional packages included.

http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbi ... _notes.txt
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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:30 pm

impuce wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:00 am
...
Would like to know when it will be possible to do a dist-upgrade from Stretch to Buster for a Pi 3b. I have a webserver set up with a lot of data and I don't want to start all over.
That will never be a recommended procedure. Raspbian/Debian stable is not a rolling release. With each new major version, starting with a clean install is always the recommended procedure.

Some people seem to upgrade successfully, but problems are not always immediately obvious and can be discovered later. Troubleshooting upgraded systems often requires more time and effort than starting over (and then you start over anyway).

When attempting an upgrade it's best to perform it on a backup card and keep your original safe.
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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:47 pm

dumitrudany wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:07 pm
So, do we need to wait for a new Raspian release that will help ours Raspberry Pi 4 to work on 64 bits?
In this moment is the Buster is working on 32 bits, and it shows ARM v7... which is not what I actually bought it by the spects.
It's unlikely Raspbian will be moving to 64 bit any time soon. Raspbian is designed to run on every Raspberry Pi ever made, not just the latest models. There are some 64 bit Linux distros available, but as far as I know they do not fully support the new Pi4 yet. There are people working on that, and Gentoo is booting, but support for new models always takes some time (Raspbian is the only OS that works on release day).

What you bought is hardware (Raspbian Linux is free), and you got what the specs say. If a full 64-bit OS was a requirement you should have done some research before rushing out to buy one.
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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:38 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:19 pm
There are 3 versions of Buster:
Yes, so much is perfectly obvious from the website, but once again you don't actually address the question.

I am sure many others would share my view that Java is essential these days, not just recommended, and should be included in the Desktop release, as it was with Stretch Desktop release

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20

Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:48 am

The light weight desktop is for people who want to mainly use their RPi on the internet, & it fills this role quite well - if you want it, just add it - it's a lot easier to add stuff than to find what it's called to remove it, plus it takes up less room to start with. 8-)

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:52 pm

Seems an updated image has been released (just apt update/upgrade and you'll get these anyway).

Out of interest here is the changlog
  • 2019-07-10:
    * Clearer options for switching of Pi 4 video output in Raspberry Pi Configuration
    * Option added to Appearance Settings to move taskbar to second monitor
    * Option added to Recommended Software to restrict package installs by architecture
    * New version of Adobe Flash player (32.0.0.223)
    * Selection of screen refresh rates added to Screen Configuration
    * Fix for missing text insertion cursor in LibreOffice on Pi 4
    * Fix for Wi-fi interruption when Wi-fi icon on taskbar is clicked
    * FIx for incorrect desktop background behind desktop login prompt
    * Fix for segmentation faults when launching obconf and lxapperarance
    * Fix for unclosed file pointer in Screen Configuration
    * Fix for Bluetooth plugin freeze when large numbers of devices detected
    * Fix for opening URLs not working in lxterminal
    * Fix for start menu opening on incorrect monitor when launched from keyboard
    * Fix for taskbar item not having [] removed when un-minimising on second monitor
    * Linux kernel 4.19.57
    * Raspberry Pi firmware cb3a32adf39f45a49be454e30c7464920ad7c605

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:16 pm

bensimmo wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:52 pm
Seems an updated image has been released (just apt update/upgrade and you'll get these anyway).

Out of interest here is the changlog
  • 2019-07-10:
    .
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    * Raspberry Pi firmware cb3a32adf39f45a49be454e30c7464920ad7c605
Why does the currently posted image show a different firmware version (that doesn't appear to exist on https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits)?:

[email protected]:~# vcgencmd version
Jul 9 2019 14:37:58
Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
version d2b1b7fb01475cb3914b2086299e32d724e832f1 (clean) (release) (start)

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:19 pm

RonR wrote: Why does the currently posted image show a different firmware version (that doesn't appear to exist on https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits)?:
Hexxeh's repo is just for rpi-update.

https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/stable

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:29 pm

I'm still confused. Your link is to: 356f5c2880a3c7e8774025aa6fc934a617553e7b

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:40 pm

I clicked this, that the other and found that the number you give https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware ... a617553e7b
has a parent of
https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware ... 920ad7c605

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:18 am

I think the release notes are wrong. I can take a look at it late.

Edit: fixed

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Re: Raspbian 'Buster' 2019-06-20 / 07-10

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:25 pm

more or less when the possibility of full boot via USB will be released? for pi4? will the otp dump memory value always be set?

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