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Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:51 pm**

Recently I've noticed my external HDD spins up every 30 minutes, after which it'll spin down again in 10 minutes (the default time). It's a WD Studio II external HDD, formatted as NTFS and with a GPT system. Naturally I've been searching for what causes this. I've turned off several daemons, shut down Kodi, but the cycle continued. When checking for Disk read and write actions with iotop, I also couldn't identify the programs responsible.

What I've tried:

Turning off Kodi, vsftpd, samba, rsyslog, rsync, ntp, cron, as described here: http://info4admins.com/tips-to-spindown ... or-ubuntu/

Here's an iotop log of an hour (it occurs at 00 and 30 or close to that): http://pastebin.com/5xqtTHdM

A list of all services on my system (with service --status-all):

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[ ? ]  alsa-utils
 [ - ]  bootlogs
 [ ? ]  bootmisc.sh
 [ ? ]  cgroup-bin
 [ ? ]  checkfs.sh
 [ ? ]  checkroot-bootclean.sh
 [ - ]  checkroot.sh
 [ - ]  console-setup
 [ + ]  cron
 [ + ]  dbus
 [ ? ]  dphys-swapfile
 [ ? ]  fake-hwclock
 [ ? ]  hdparm
 [ - ]  hostname.sh
 [ ? ]  hwclock.sh
 [ + ]  ifplugd
 [ - ]  kbd
 [ - ]  keyboard-setup
 [ ? ]  killprocs
 [ ? ]  kmod
 [ - ]  kodi
 [ - ]  lightdm
 [ - ]  motd
 [ ? ]  mount
 [ ? ]  mount.save
 [ ? ]  mountall-bootclean.sh
 [ ? ]  mountall.sh
 [ ? ]  mountdevsubfs.sh
 [ ? ]  mountkernfs.sh
 [ ? ]  mountnfs-bootclean.sh
 [ ? ]  mountnfs.sh
 [ ? ]  mtab.sh
 [ ? ]  networking
 [ - ]  nfs-common
 [ + ]  ntp
 [ ? ]  plymouth
 [ ? ]  plymouth-log
 [ - ]  procps
 [ ? ]  raspi-config
 [ ? ]  rc.local
 [ - ]  rmnologin
 [ - ]  rpcbind
 [ - ]  rsync
 [ + ]  rsyslog
 [ + ]  samba
 [ ? ]  screen-cleanup
 [ ? ]  sendsigs
 [ + ]  ssh
 [ - ]  sudo
 [ + ]  triggerhappy
 [ ? ]  tvheadend
 [ + ]  udev
 [ ? ]  udev-mtab
 [ ? ]  umountfs
 [ ? ]  umountnfs.sh
 [ ? ]  umountroot
 [ - ]  unattended-upgrades
 [ - ]  urandom
 [ + ]  vsftpd
 [ - ]  x11-common

The disk itself is mounted with:

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sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o defaults,noatime,uid=hts,umask=0113,dmask=0022 /dev/sda1 /home/pi/media/HDD1

using a script at start up (fstab was giving problems).

The raspbian version I run is from February. I've upgraded the kernel manually to 3.19.2-v7+ so it works with my tv stick.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:43 pm**

See if useing hdparm to put the drive in stand by untill it's needed helps.

http://linux.die.net/man/8/hdparm

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:54 pm**

The problem isn't spinning down, as it does so automatically, put something takes it out of stand-by. Also HDparm doesn't work with external disks afaik, and probably also doesn't support NTFS.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:20 pm**

It works on my seagate external drive, but not my toshiba.

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:27 pm**

SirJohnDoe wrote:... and probably also doesn't support NTFS.

Does it have to be NTFS? It will run faster, file security will work and it will spin-down when not needed if you reformat it to ext4.

hdparm appears to work with my B+ which has the rootfs on a hard drive.

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root@apollo ~ # hdparm -B 1 /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x01 (1)
 APM_level      = 1
root@apollo ~ # hdparm /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 multcount     =  0 (off)
 readonly      =  0 (off)
 readahead     = 256 (on)
 geometry      = 19457/255/63, sectors = 312581808, start = 0
root@apollo ~ #

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:42 pm**

DougieLawson wrote:
SirJohnDoe wrote:... and probably also doesn't support NTFS.
Does it have to be NTFS? It will run faster, file security will work and it will spin-down when not needed if you reformat it to ext4.

hdparm appears to work with my B+ which has the rootfs on a hard drive.
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root@apollo ~ # hdparm -B 1 /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 setting Advanced Power Management level to 0x01 (1)
 APM_level      = 1
root@apollo ~ # hdparm /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 multcount     =  0 (off)
 readonly      =  0 (off)
 readahead     = 256 (on)
 geometry      = 19457/255/63, sectors = 312581808, start = 0
root@apollo ~ #

Well, it's a lot of work to transfer 2 TB of files and put them another disk, then re-format and put them back.

Again, spinning down is no problem, it works fine. I'm just trying to find out what process wakes up my external HDD every 30 minutes

Posted: **Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:54 pm**

Looks like it's a feechur of the userland NTFS driver.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:22 am**

SirJohnDoe wrote:Well, it's a lot of work to transfer 2 TB of files and put them another disk, then re-format and put them back.

Do it from your backup drive - you do have a backup, don't you? 2TB is a lot to lose.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:43 pm**

fruit-uk wrote:
SirJohnDoe wrote:Well, it's a lot of work to transfer 2 TB of files and put them another disk, then re-format and put them back.
Do it from your backup drive - you do have a backup, don't you? 2TB is a lot to lose.

It's only movies and tv series, so it doesn't really matter as I can easily redownload everything. I've just managed to free up enough space on my other disks to transfer the lot, and will re-format it to ext4.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:34 pm**

I have 2 1TB drives one mirrored to the other with rysnc. When I first set my system up I tried to do it with ntfs and had issues, reformatting solved everything. Maybe you'll have the same experience.

Posted: **Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:08 pm**

Hello,

did you find the problem?

I had the same problem. I use Openelec and have no iotop.
Then i have tried to find the problem with:

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while true; do lsof | grep sda; done

And have seen that smartmontools is accessing the drive. I have now deactivated it...and all is well

Regards Bismosa

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