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Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:47 pm
by asb
nomis05 wrote:What's included in this image? XServer, LXDE?
I personally would really appreciate something like a minimal/professional official image, where you can install your own window manager if you need it. I prefer e.g. awesome wm for the raspberry. It may also be useful for guys which are new to linux and want to get some more knowledge about setting up a system. I also think having ssh enabled from the beginning is a good thing, because I always first have to setup wifi through ethernet/ssh before i can plug my Pi into the TV.
The image has X, LXDE, midori, Scratch, Python2+3, Idle, omxplayer. If you tried out my http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 then I've kept the package selection roughly the same as that.

Yes, I intend to put out a version of this image from before the LXDE and XOrg packages get installed (at the time of writing, this would be the output of 'stage3' in my build scripts https://github.com/asb/spindle)

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:53 pm
by drount
Any improvement in the analog audio output (cracking sound when seeking or changing sound)?

Any improvement when using intensely USB and Ethernet together (rtrorrent / transmission)?

Thanks for your work, really appreciated.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:01 pm
by jmmoraux
Move from Debian squeeze to Raspian Wheezy and all work fine at the moment.

openjdk-6 installed, waiting for 7

How can i help to port package to raspbian ?
I got some shell / C skill but not used to debian package.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:12 pm
by mstombs
asb wrote:
mstombs wrote:2nd SD burn, everything working, Blender Movies Big Buck Bunny and Sintel work fine with 64MB allocated to GPU, but see not a lot of free ram with desktop plus Midori!

I'm afraid rasp-config has again corrupted my config.txt in exactly the same way, but its not fatal. Line 35 becomes
# uncomment for c
with rest of file filled with NULLs
What SD card do you have? Do you see any errors on dmesg? There have been occasionaly reports of corruption of the FAT partition but we haven't yet tracked it down and I'm not currently able to reproduce it locally at all.
Currently using 8GB Transcend Class 10, the only change I made to config.txt using raspi-config was to disable overscan, but can now toggle it back and forth without issue. Did have issues with 4GB version of similar brand a few weeks ago with original debian distro, but it worked fine with archlinux, so assume kernel improvements have fixed compatibility?

May have selected reboot from raspi-config, so possible shutting down too quickly failed to get disk write cache flushed? Continuing to experiment, everything seems to run fine even with Dom's 1GHz overclock. Not sure its relevant but just got an error relating to mmc0 at end of boot:-

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[   13.988269] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 17 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[   14.001954] mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[   14.028909] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 17 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[   14.042642] mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[   17.601302] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[   20.595550] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:102396k SS

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:44 pm
by dom
mstombs wrote:

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[   13.988269] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 17 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[   14.001954] mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[   14.028909] mmc0: missed completion of cmd 17 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[   14.042642] mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset
[   17.601302] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[   20.595550] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:102396k SS
I get that too. I couple of people have told me it is harmless. I only get them during boot - not seen them subsequently.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:08 pm
by TheRobster
Downloaded, and I will seed it until I am at or above a 2-1 ratio.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:13 pm
by wallacebiy
Downloaded , seeding ( but seems to have no uptake at the moment ?)

Gonna try and build a QEMU emulator for it on my mac ( for Kicks like )

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:03 pm
by kadamski
dom wrote: I get that too. I couple of people have told me it is harmless. I only get them during boot - not seen them subsequently.
I get that quite often (like, in 70% of cases) when copying files to/from /boot/. Not seeing them in any other cases. I wonder if it's because boot is vfat maybe?

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:12 pm
by dukla2000
Downloaded last night, still seeding. Seems good to me.
1 small defect - ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml has Konsole as filemanager for Win+E except it is not loaded. I swapped to pcmanfm fine.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:22 pm
by jeffers
Just installed, good work! Just trying to use apt-file to look for something in the repo and noticed this...

# apt-file update
Ignoring source without Contents File:
http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... s-armhf.gz
Ignoring source without Contents File:
http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... s-armhf.gz
Ignoring source without Contents File:
http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... s-armhf.gz
Ignoring source without Contents File:
http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... s-armhf.gz
Ignoring source without Contents File:
http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/d ... s-armhf.gz


Can someone update the repo to generate a Contents file? The apt-file package itself is in the repo but is pretty much useless without the 'contents' files being there too :)

Thanks
Jeff

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:26 pm
by asb
jeffers wrote: Can someone update the repo to generate a Contents file? The apt-file package itself is in the repo but is pretty much useless without the 'contents' files being there too :)
I believe mpthompson and plugwash are looking in to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 66&t=11438

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:28 pm
by TimG
mpthompson wrote:it's important to understand that peer to peer technologies have legitimate and important roles in free software development.
Absolutely. My trouble is I don't trust my ISP to know the difference between legitimate and illegitimate torrent downloads.

Meanwhile I'm enjoying using the earlier Raspbian images, and looking forward to the new version. Thanks for all the work you and others have put into this.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:31 pm
by jeffers
asb wrote:
jeffers wrote: Can someone update the repo to generate a Contents file? The apt-file package itself is in the repo but is pretty much useless without the 'contents' files being there too :)
I believe mpthompson and plugwash are looking in to this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 66&t=11438
Cool. thanks.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:42 pm
by robwriter
TimG wrote:
mpthompson wrote:it's important to understand that peer to peer technologies have legitimate and important roles in free software development.
Absolutely. My trouble is I don't trust my ISP to know the difference between legitimate and illegitimate torrent downloads.

Meanwhile I'm enjoying using the earlier Raspbian images, and looking forward to the new version. Thanks for all the work you and others have put into this.
I know this really doesn't matter, but what difference does it make what your ISP thinks you're downloading?

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:22 pm
by Mortimer
robwriter wrote:
TimG wrote:
mpthompson wrote:it's important to understand that peer to peer technologies have legitimate and important roles in free software development.
Absolutely. My trouble is I don't trust my ISP to know the difference between legitimate and illegitimate torrent downloads.

Meanwhile I'm enjoying using the earlier Raspbian images, and looking forward to the new version. Thanks for all the work you and others have put into this.
I know this really doesn't matter, but what difference does it make what your ISP thinks you're downloading?
Well if his ISP is like mine, they don't even bother, they just throttle ALL torrent traffic down to 100kB/s, whereas I can download HTML or FTP sourced files at over 2MB/s.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:15 pm
by Altivo
The logical arguments in favor of the bittorrent algorithm are good, except that they still do little for those who have limited bandwidth available, or data caps that simply will not permit them to "seed" in return. This makes them look like bloodsucking vampires when in fact they are not.

Torrent client software is also a complex black box that I personally do not trust. I can't tell what it is doing on my hardware and net connection, aside from the fact that by default it wants to do things that I can't permit. In the library where I work, it has been repeatedly shown that a single user seeding torrents on the public network can bring the entire building's internet access down to a snail's pace. Torrent technology is anti-social in the hands of naive or malevolent users, alas.

I too must wait for the availability of http or ftp downloads. I am doing so with great anticipation, as I hear good things about Raspbian.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:58 pm
by stevepdp
Bittorrent has been debated enough.

The image was released here as a way for Raspbian regulars to preview the image before it's made public, and most testers are happy with the bittorrent method of downloading.

The full formal announcement with direct downloads and such is due soon.

Can we now please try and keep this thread on-topic?

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:12 pm
by dirtyburger
Seeding now, 5mb down was done in seconds, if nobody had a problem with it I don't mind hosting it on one of my sites? Thought I would check first though. Give me something to do whilst I wait for my Nexus 7 that obviously isn't going to arrive in a timely fashion. :roll:

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:28 pm
by billsmithaustin
Anyone know why this happens:
[email protected]:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get update
Hit http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release.gpg
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/rpi Translation-en
Hit http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release
W: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... zy/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-armel/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

[email protected]:/etc/apt$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#!/bin/bash
deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[email protected]:/etc/apt$

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:51 pm
by chrisw2
asb wrote: ... I'll soon be providing an apt source that provides 'bleeding edge' .debs ...
Excellent, thank you.

Couple of questions:
1) where will this be announced?

2) were are the raspberry pi foundation debian repositories documented?

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:01 pm
by plugwash
billsmithaustin wrote:Anyone know why this happens:
[email protected]:/etc/apt$ sudo apt-get update
Hit http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release.gpg
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/main Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy/rpi Translation-en
Hit http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org wheezy Release
W: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/rasp ... zy/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-armel/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)

E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

[email protected]:/etc/apt$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#!/bin/bash
deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[email protected]:/etc/apt$
Generally that error is indicative of trying to use raspbian sources on an armel system (which won't work). The fact that your system name is raspbmc lends further weight to this theory.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:20 pm
by dirtyburger
Awesome work guys, I have been lurking for quite a while and tried out most of the distro's (well the one's with a gui....), I am not a "noob" but nor am I as advanced as some, I am a windoze programmer by trade, or more by accident and tbh, I hate it, as someone who learned programming back when a child on a Sinclair spectrum 16k (with my Dad thinking I was on some Wargames like mission to cause a globalthermonuclear war), I often felt that there was something missing, a lot of the modern software development tools take us away from what's going on, and in a lot of cases even using the Win API is seen as advanced.

Anyway, I have kind of fallen out of love with programming of late, but when the Pi was announced I hoped that it would reinvigorate my interest, I have never fallen out of love with Tech, just programming. I have had great fun messing with the device and running the various distro's and I am relearning all the time.

But back to the point, this latest release is the most complete and pain free that I have used, I always approach stuff from the perspective of "could my Dad use it", this is one of the first times that I could say "Yes, with some help". Once the SD card was in I was really pleasantly surprised to see the initial Boot configuration screen, this is something that has been lacking to date and only the Puppy distro from what I have seen had something similar. This increases the ease of use so much, for the first time I haven't had to mess about with partitions, boot config files or wonder why I had annoying black bars on my monitor. I ran through and rebooted straight away and everything so far, just works, this is a massive step forward in my eyes.

Some really nice touches in the actual Desktop, with the prominent desktop shortcuts etc, I knew how to get into that stuff before, but the issue is, not everyone does, a lot of folk are even scared to go into a menu these days, especially kids who are always told to "not mess", a shortcut makes you want to click it.

So sorry for the long post, guess its kind of my introduction as well, but just wanted to say, well done, this is a really cool Project as a whole and this distro especially seems the absolute best way to go for this Pi noob. :ugeek:

Off to play and see if I can get my WiFi working and Wireless RiiMote keyboard/touchpad thingy working at the same time with no USB hub, and you know what, I shall enjoy every minute of it! :mrgreen:

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:31 pm
by rapsberrye
If you were running the wheezy beta ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 ), do you need to manually upgrade to this build?

Or can I just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to get all the improvements available in this build?

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:37 pm
by asb
rapsberrye wrote:If you were running the wheezy beta ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 ), do you need to manually upgrade to this build?

Or can I just run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to get all the improvements available in this build?
I'm afraid so. You will continue to get firmware updates etc through apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but if you want to make the jump to hardfloat you'll need to write a new SD card image.

Re: raspberry pi foundation raspbian image

Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:43 pm
by liz
Direct downloads are now available on the downloads page. There's also a post on the main page announcing the release.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1605

:D

Thanks again to everyone who's worked on this, especially mpthompson and plugwash.