Raspberry Pi 2

[Heater]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

MS and Windows is the total antithesis of the reasons why the Pi exists.

MS and Windows, and others are the reason for that "kids don't know what a computer is or how to program" phenomena that caused under graduate applications to Cambridge to fall and Eben to dream up the Pi as a remedy.

How could this happen?

However, well done everybody involved in bringing out this great new machine. I though I was dreaming when I saw the specs this morning. Amazing work.

[Gert van Loo]

I wonder if they've fixed the USB controller in this silicon so it doesn't need all that FIQ fun.

We could not touch the USB but the ARM has a special 'USB timer' I added as response to a request from the USB dive driver developer...

[jbeale]

We could not touch the USB but the ARM has a special 'USB timer' I added as response to a request from the USB driver developer...

I'm very curious about this, any additional information? The first thought in my mind on reading the RPi-2 news (other than, can this be true? it isn't April 1st...) was, "I wonder about the USB architecture."

[jamesh]

Was talking to Dom, he reckons that the USB should be quicker now, with the multiple cores, USB traffic doesn't hit the performance of the apps running and vica versa, so bandwidth should improve considerably. As yet, not sure if the final corner case of USB issues are still there.

[jamesh]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

MS and Windows is the total antithesis of the reasons why the Pi exists.

MS and Windows, and others are the reason for that "kids don't know what a computer is or how to program" phenomena that caused under graduate applications to Cambridge to fall and Eben to dream up the Pi as a remedy.

How could this happen?

However, well done everybody involved in bringing out this great new machine. I though I was dreaming when I saw the specs this morning. Amazing work.

Well, MS are doing the work, and its up to them what they send their time and money on.

It's WIn10 IoT which is command line, no desktop.

[DougieLawson]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

Why not, it's not Windows desktop it's a Windows IoT development platform.
I've signed up.

[mahjongg]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

You don't have to use it, Raspbian will still be the official Raspberry PI OS.

Also this version of Windows 10 will have no GUI, its a command line only version, for "internet of things" use. Its purely an effort of Microsoft to stay relevant, with almost no influence on what the Raspberry PI Foundation will continue to do. That is supporting Debian Linux, and Open source.

It simply gives you more choice!

[Heater]

@jamesh,

MS are doing the work, and its up to them what they send their time and money on.

That is good.

It somewhat contradicts the message in the Pi 2 blog "For the last six months we’ve been working closely with Microsoft"

Unless they have been paying dearly for all this "working closely"

It's WIn10 IoT which is command line, no desktop.

So less functional than a Linux install. And with a worse command line interface. What is the point I am missing here?

@DougieLawson,

...it's a Windows IoT development platform.
I've signed up.

Ok. I have no idea what Windows IoT means. Is that like communicating from your Pi to some "cloud" of computers over the internet? Can't we do that already? What does one get here?

I know, I'll have to sign up myself to find out.

@mahjongg,

I'm very glad to hear what you said.

[jdb]

For Q&A responses, see the Q&A thread:
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewt ... 33#p682933

I'm leaving this one open as a general discussion thread.

[BMS Doug]

Internet of Things, smart devices connecting your household.

[DougieLawson]

I have no idea what the Windows 10 components are going to deliver (it's not even 24 hours since the announcement) but I've a sufficiently open mind to give it a go. I never know from one day to the next what my Raspberry Pis will be doing or what software I may be developing on them.

If it doesn't work, if I don't like it, then I've lost nothing.

[Lob0426]

Bought two (one for my brother) from Newark/Element 14 $81.80. Delivery date is allegedly 2/23/15. I chose delivery by USPS rather than the Basic shipping.

I do not see the new board as an upgrade to my RasPi web site. It runs just fine on a 256MB B Model. I really think the A+ is going to be the goto board for small/robotics projects for the near future. The main points being power consumption and size.

Ubuntu on Pi interests me more than Windows 10 on Pi. I will try the 10 when it becomes available but I think Ubuntu is where it is going to be best at!

Or Raspbian.

[Heater]

BMS Doug,

Internet of Things, smart devices connecting your household.

I think we all know what IoT means. As much as it means anything.

I don't know why you limit internet connected things to the household though.

Heck, we have been building internet connected things for years now already.

I suspect "IoT" is a new marketing play to get you to buy server space/time in the "cloud" to connect your "things" to.

And then there is the potential software market of mobile apps to let you connect through those "cloud" services and control/monitor you "things".

If not that then control of the app store that delivers those IoT apps.

This is not just about the problem of getting your light bulbs a WIFI connection.

[DougieLawson]

Dare we ask whether An***id would ever work on a PI2? Not that I'm interested in doing that.

[fruitoftheloom]

Dare we ask whether An***id would ever work on a PI2? Not that I'm interested in doing that.

I thought the Android issue was largely down to the GPU Driver Stack

[mahjongg]

Dare we ask whether An***id would ever work on a PI2? Not that I'm interested in doing that.

I thought the Android issue was largely down to the GPU Driver Stack

so thats probably a no. good! who wants the kids to play angry birds all day, instead of writing the new killer game!

[DougieLawson]

Dare we ask whether An***id would ever work on a PI2? Not that I'm interested in doing that.

I thought the Android issue was largely down to the GPU Driver Stack

so thats probably a no. good! who wants the kids to play angry birds all day, instead of writing the new killer game!

I'll take that as an "official answer" when the An***id questions start pouring in tomorrow. I've got NINE different flavours of Angry Birds installed on my Tesco Hudl2. I'm not averse to throwing sparrows with an attitude problem at pigs.

[expandables]

Will the b+ software be able to work with the pi2?

[Heater]

Yes,

Is it so hard to read the announcement on the front page?

[fruitoftheloom]

Yes,

Is it so hard to read the announcement on the front page?

It would appear so considering the rants, raves and misinformation being spouted about the new model

I did read everything I could find and ordered mine at 08:15 UK time.

Nice to see both Windows NT IoT and Ubuntu IoT for developers

Best of all it is backward compatible, and older images can be swapped after undertaking an upgrade to the new Pi

RPF 100% the tops


Just checked and OpenElec have released a new image on their Website

[Lob0426]

From what I got on the launch video, The Pi2 requires a different kernel. I do not think you will be able to stick a B+ card into a Pi2 and it will work. Whether you will be able to upgrade that card to work is the question.

There is a dedicated Q & A at;
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewt ... 63&t=98367

[fruitoftheloom]

From what I got on the launch video, The Pi2 requires a different kernel. I do not think you will be able to stick a B+ card into a Pi2 and it will work. Whether you will be able to upgrade that card to work is the question.

There is a dedicated Q and A at;
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewt ... 63&t=98367

afaiaa like the B to the B+ you have to fully update the OS prior to using the SD Card in the new Pi

[DougieLawson]

From what I got on the launch video, The Pi2 requires a different kernel. I do not think you will be able to stick a B+ card into a Pi2 and it will work. Whether you will be able to upgrade that card to work is the question.

Run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on your existing RPi and see what you get in /boot and /lib/modules.

[Redfez]

The media centre and emulator users will go NUTS (in a good way) over this release. It's enough of a jump in power to make life much, much easier for these features and the change to Armv7 should allow easier access to all sorts of software for folks to tinker and set up their box to their own tastes. Good stuff.

The backwards compatibility was the big worry for many, I think. As it is we've few worries in that area, which is fantastic. So if you've sunk hours into your software or £££ into hardware and shields or hats your still fine to swap them between the old and new. Great move by the foundation, no doubt. Also helps keep the community as one community rather than dividing it up.

All the folks moaning for the Pi to be beefier now will have to find other things to moan about in Amazon reviews, forums, etc.

[W. H. Heydt]

It's WIn10 IoT which is command line, no desktop.

Didn't lots of people--in the past--call that....DOS?

Actually... I find the Win10 part of the announcement interesting in an odd way. I think that makes the Pi2B the first ARM device that MS hasn't insisted be locked down to ONLY Windows (in whatever form). Almost makes one wonder if MS is watching the RPF with considerable trepidation...

As a practical matter (yeah...I have a Pi2B on order and FedEx is saying I get it Saturday 2/7), one test I want to run is to load up the Ubuntu Alpha build that is posted to see if (a) it will drive an HDMI-->DVI monitor connection "out of the box" (I'm betting the answer is "yes"), and (b) how well USB connected devices behave (I'm betting "rather well"). Those who followed some comparison testing I did will understand why.

I was seriously thinking of replacing the data entry stations I use for DunDraCon Con Reg with Model B+ units (I use up to 5 Model B units at a time), but with this...may as well go for Pi2B. I wanted the B+ for the improved power handling, especially with regard to hot-plugging USB. However, I see no need to turn my nose up at a big boost in processor capability at the same price.