Raspberry Pi 2

[plugwash]

Same for factor as B+ so there is no pain with cases.

Unfortunately there has been some case pain. Cases that support the board by the defined mounting hole/connector locations and leave a reasonable gap above/below the board should be fine but there have been problems with pobow cases which have plastic peices sitting directly on the PCB (pimironi have addressed these on new production but i'm not sure what they plan to do for existing customers).

[Redfez]

I'll be waiting to see what the Quake 3 enthusiasts can squeeze out of it. It'll be interesting to see comparisons side-by-side with the B+ (which was rightly heralded as a great success of the time) and then later when it's optimised and settled in system-wise. From that we'll get all sorts of info and tweaks for other uses too. Very exciting times!

[Nightwing2012]

I am glad the Guardian broke the new early. Or would have a duo core v7 board PI size board on it way instead of a RPI 2 shipped today! Was about 10 minutes from that order! Man you guys cut that really close!!!!

Now can I wait till Wed for it! ^_^

Seriously. Any info on what and how to get ready? Did catch the code to down load updates but is there any other stuff needed? Assume minimum 2A 5V supply. Do we need to worry about cooling...

[findx]

I wonder if they've fixed the USB controller in this silicon so it doesn't need all that FIQ fun.

We could not touch the USB but the ARM has a special 'USB timer' I added as response to a request from the USB dive driver developer...

Cool, it's good to know something may improve with that. I pull reasonably high-speed analog data (240k+ samples per sec) in through the FIQ and then stream processed analog samples from Linux user space back out the USB Ethernet. It has been "fun" navigating around the "features" of the Synopsys hardware and driver in this use case.

Does the new "USB timer" use any of the ARM timer circuitry that's unused with the regular Linux kernel? Or are they independent?

In any event, (as others noted) more cores will help with threaded Linux interrupts. I absolutely look forward to seeing the hardware documentation for the new chip (assuming it hasn't already been posted?)

[java]

Damn, am I glad I put of buying my second RPi by a month. The extra performance will definitely help ...

Thanks guys

[mancity]

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is **

[Mod: edited for language. Family forum = keep it that way]

[findx]

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is ****.

Parts like the Odroid C1 (also $35) probably forced them to launch sooner than expected:

http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 1578608433

[EtonMess]

"What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years "

I suspect that this was with the best of intentions, to provide the stable consistent environment. However, I have a feeling (and it's only my opinion I don't actually know anything) that the proliferation of imitators with more processing power, ARM capability/scope and RAM have contributed to forcing the hand. Along with opportunities such as Win10 IoT, it would be a shame to miss the boat on that one.

Seems they have done everything they could to maintain backward compatibility, and the vast majority of people are delighted that they can have more oomph and stay within the movement. My older Pis remain useful, and as long as the Foundation stays true to its primary educational purpose before anything else then I am happy to be along for the ride.

[EtonMess]

I am glad the Guardian broke the new early. Or would have a duo core v7 board PI size board on it way instead of a RPI 2 shipped today! Was about 10 minutes from that order! Man you guys cut that really close!!!!

Indeed, The Register was really naughty and broke the embargo at Midnight, and they were available on RS with the right URL which was also leaked, so my order went in at 0755. Then there was a debacle with them not adding the next day postage cost at the time of the credit card authorisation screen (adding it on later with an extra email confirmation). This was sorted out and refunded to a lot of people and I suspect that has cost RS a few quid.

Mine should turn up today, snow allowing.

[EtonMess]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

MS and Windows is the total antithesis of the reasons why the Pi exists.

MS and Windows, and others are the reason for that "kids don't know what a computer is or how to program" phenomena that caused under graduate applications to Cambridge to fall and Eben to dream up the Pi as a remedy.

How could this happen?

I see it rather differently, far from being the antithesis the Raspberry Pi movement and similar maker activity are the reason that Microsoft have climbed down from their perch and are embracing this kind of activity. They've been forced into this situation where they with give Win10 IoT away to makers.

BTW, nobody actually knows if Win10 IoT will be CLI only, only that it will not be Windows Desktop. I think it is likely that MS will release it with some kind of simplified GUI shell, and if they don't then community will create one pretty soon.

[fruitoftheloom]

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is *****.

Parts like the Odroid C1 (also $35) probably forced them to launch sooner than expected:

http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 1578608433

Do you realise it takes a lot of development and testing to attach a different ARM CPU to the GPU, if the RPF 18 months ago said 2015 and missed the deadline everyone would still be complaining.

Yes I appreciate the pain of people who have older RPi's but as you rightly point out with the RPi Clones jumping on the bandwagon it was necessary.

It would be interesting to find out how much involvement Broadcom had, considering their own woes over the last 2 years, Broadcom seem to have been forgotten

[Gert van Loo]

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is ****.

Look up "Osborne effect".

[EtonMess]

It would be interesting to find out how much involvement Broadcom had, considering their own woes over the last 2 years, Broadcom seem to have been forgotten

I think the Alphamosaic part of Broadcom had less woes than the baseband part etc.

[Heater]

mancity,

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Are you sure that was "definitely" and not "probably". Are you sure you did not imagine it?

The statement that has been clearly displayed in the "When will there be a NEW Raspberry Pi?" thread at the top of the general discussion section for ages said "Eben Upton, Founder, has stated in public that he would expect a NEW board between two and three years from now (Sept 2013)."

Note the date, that's close enough to two years is it not?

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is *******.

You are making yourself miserable for nothing. There has been no "lying" going on. This announcement is not "*******" it wonderful.

I suspect if you got a Pi 2 you could be using it exactly like the old one and never notice the difference. Just pretend there is no new Pi and you will be happy

[PiGraham]

Same for factor as B+ so there is no pain with cases.

Unfortunately there has been some case pain. Cases that support the board by the defined mounting hole/connector locations and leave a reasonable gap above/below the board should be fine but there have been problems with pobow cases which have plastic peices sitting directly on the PCB (pimironi have addressed these on new production but i'm not sure what they plan to do for existing customers).

Since the Pibow is a layered construction surely one extra or replacement layer would sort that out.

I have a Coupe here and it looks like it will fit OK as it is.

[Fidelius]

"Windows 10 on the RPi!"

Why, oh why, oh why?

You don't have to use it, Raspbian will still be the official Raspberry PI OS.

Also this version of Windows 10 will have no GUI, its a command line only version, for "internet of things" use. Its purely an effort of Microsoft to stay relevant

I marked the important bit in bold. :-)
Because generally speaking concerning the desktop <-> mobile market, M$ is going down, not up, and good IT forecasters said they already lost it.

But back on topic: I'm very happy that Raspbian i.e. Linux will stay the official Pi OS. It's so much better to teach children and interested adults the basics of computing, and the learners can so nicely interact between desktop PCs running Linux and the Pi running Linux. Oh well, now the Pi2 is a kind of desktop PC, too! Mr. Upton said so, rightly. :-)

[markvr]

Anyone know what likely speed of the Pi2 running a NAS using Samba and a USB hard drive? I have that setup with a B+ and get about 2mb/s, which is too slow. I've been debating getting a "proper" NAS box, but I can get decent speed from a Pi2, I'll do that instead. It currently gets CPU bound with the ntfs driver and Samba, will they be able to take advantage of the quad cores on this?

[Heater]

EtonMess,

I see it rather differently, far from being the antithesis the Raspberry Pi movement and similar maker activity are the reason that Microsoft have climbed down from their perch and are embracing this kind of activity. They've been forced into this situation where they with give Win10 IoT away to makers.

Certainly "antithesis".

The Raspberry Pi was created with the idea of providing a means to get kids interested in and experienced with computers and specifically programming. This is formalized in the mission statement of the Raspberry Pi Foundation.

That educational and general learning mission leads to the need for opensource solutions.

Microsoft and commercial software vendors have a different mission. Their mission depends on closed source binary only solutions. It depends on preventing you using and sharing software how you like. It depends on hiding the means of it's construction or seeing how it works (binary only). It depends on locking you into other services they may have, app stores etc.

If all that is not antithetical to the Pi mission I don't know what is.

I don't know what MS is up to with Win 10 on the Pi but corporations don't give stuff away for free without some ulterior motive.

I might just have to sign up and try it to find out what the catch is.

[rpdom]

Anyone know what likely speed of the Pi2 running a NAS using Samba and a USB hard drive? I have that setup with a B+ and get about 2mb/s, which is too slow. I've been debating getting a "proper" NAS box, but I can get decent speed from a Pi2, I'll do that instead. It currently gets CPU bound with the ntfs driver and Samba, will they be able to take advantage of the quad cores on this?

Why on earth are you using NTFS? Reformat the drive to ext4 and get a more reasonable speed.

[RaTTuS]

Anyone know what likely speed of the Pi2 running a NAS using Samba and a USB hard drive? I have that setup with a B+ and get about 2mb/s, which is too slow. I've been debating getting a "proper" NAS box, but I can get decent speed from a Pi2, I'll do that instead. It currently gets CPU bound with the ntfs driver and Samba, will they be able to take advantage of the quad cores on this?

dont use ntfs - use ext3/4

[DougieLawson]

Anyone know what likely speed of the Pi2 running a NAS using Samba and a USB hard drive? I have that setup with a B+ and get about 2mb/s, which is too slow. I've been debating getting a "proper" NAS box, but I can get decent speed from a Pi2, I'll do that instead. It currently gets CPU bound with the ntfs driver and Samba, will they be able to take advantage of the quad cores on this?

The smsc9514 doesn't change, there is a firmware change due to the four cores, but don't expect lightening fast network/USB.

If you're using FAT/FAT32/NTFS you will win, as those are CPU heavy on a B+.

[Redfez]

mancity,

What happened to there definitely wont be another Pi for a couple of years

Are you sure that was "definitely" and not "probably". Are you sure you did not imagine it?

The statement that has been clearly displayed in the "When will there be a NEW Raspberry Pi?" thread at the top of the general discussion section for ages said "Eben Upton, Founder, has stated in public that he would expect a NEW board between two and three years from now (Sept 2013)."

Note the date, that's close enough to two years is it not?

Not really happy if im honest, I know it's only a cheap device, but lying so blatantly to the userbase is shitty.

You are making yourself miserable for nothing. There has been no "lying" going on. This announcement is not "shitty" it wonderful.

I suspect if you got a Pi 2 you could be using it exactly like the old one and never notice the difference. Just pretend there is no new Pi and you will be happy

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/18 ... ts-upgrade

"Raspberry Pi, has been due for a hardware upgrade for quite some time, but the manufacturers have revealed that the anticipated day likely won’t come until 2017"

http://www.raspi.today/raspberry-pi-2-expected-in-2017/

"During a podcast interview with RasPi.Today, Raspberry Pi Foundation founder Eben Upton revealed that they plan to release a higher performance Raspberry Pi in 2017."

http://www.geek.com/chips/no-raspberry- ... w-1599210/

"So when are we going to see a Raspberry Pi version two? According to Raspberry Pi founder Eben Upton, we’ll be waiting until 2017 for that to happen."

There are similar articles elsewhere. It is understandable why people would feel bretrayed and mislead, even if some of us are happy and excited to have new hardware too.

[PiGraham]

EtonMess,

I see it rather differently, far from being the antithesis the Raspberry Pi movement and similar maker activity are the reason that Microsoft have climbed down from their perch and are embracing this kind of activity. They've been forced into this situation where they with give Win10 IoT away to makers.

Certainly "antithesis".

The Raspberry Pi was created with the idea of providing a means to get kids interested in and experienced with computers and specifically programming. This is formalized in the mission statement of the Raspberry Pi Foundation.

That educational and general learning mission leads to the need for opensource solutions.

Microsoft and commercial software vendors have a different mission. Their mission depends on closed source binary only solutions. It depends on preventing you using and sharing software how you like. It depends on hiding the means of it's construction or seeing how it works (binary only). It depends on locking you into other services they may have, app stores etc.

If all that is not antithetical to the Pi mission I don't know what is.

I don't know what MS is up to with Win 10 on the Pi but corporations don't give stuff away for free without some ulterior motive.

I might just have to sign up and try it to find out what the catch is.

Probably the same motivation that is behind educational discounted pricing on various products and free 'Express' versions of development tools. People tend to stay with what they are familiar with. If kids are learning on Pi then MS needs a presence on that platform or it loses a generation of programmers and users. Since the price is low / free they have no option to charge for it.

[Redfez]

Probably the same motivation that is behind educational discounted pricing on various products and free 'Express' versions of development tools. People tend to stay with what they are familiar with. If kids are learning on Pi then MS needs a presence on that platform or it loses a generation of programmers and users. Since the price is low / free they have no option to charge for it.

Could be the case. I'm not sure if the niche educational/hobby nature of the Pi might preclude it from that effect. I can also recall the BBC Micro and old classic Apples in schools but they had poor penetration into the home market back then. Others won out briefly before falling to the IBM-compatible waves. Plus, MS based systems are basically the default of today for a computer. Don't think they need to worry about making kids think about MS/Windows via school-based systems these days?

I'm sure the steely eye of the Pi community would catch anything dodgy before long anyway.

[EtonMess]

I don't know what MS is up to with Win 10 on the Pi but corporations don't give stuff away for free without some ulterior motive.

Without moving into this growing maker space MS risk being left behind. The problem for them is that if the world of education remains the domain of Linux then talent it produces is going to be stay mostly within Linux. So MS has to get involved in order to benefit from that source.

I always thought the goal of Raspberry Pi was to produce a new generation of talent to go forth and work in corporations, not to shut out particular sections of the tech world.




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