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The Raspbian new UI thread

Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:17 pm

but why the new ui
was it necessary?
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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:11 pm

Why not?

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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:29 pm

DirkS wrote:Why not?
THat's not a reason. Why not.. Because at a stroke it makes a whole lot of work for authors who have screen shots in their books and articles that are now wrong.

Is there any benefit to the new layout ? (Just downloading it now to have a look see).

PeterO

PS: Download seems really slow... I doubt it will arrive before DrWho starts !

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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:31 pm

DirkS wrote:Why not?
I mean it's still lxde and not something new like Maynard
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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:31 pm

PeterO wrote:
DirkS wrote:Why not?
THat's not a reason. Why not.. Because at a stroke it makes a whole lot of work for authors who have screen shots in their books and articles that are now wrong.

Is there any benefits to the new layout ? (Just downloading it now to have a look see).

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Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:58 pm

I think the UI was due for an update. When I made my Raspberry Office Kit I spent a lot of time making changes to the UI. One of the things I did was change the icons for the File Manager and the Web Browser. Those just didn't seem intuitive to me at all. The new graphics they're using are much better. I also like the toned down colour on the CPU Usage Monitor. That old green was pretty bright.

I think they did a great job on this. It's much more polished and clean looking.

Thanks again!!!!

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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 7:10 pm

PeterO wrote:
DirkS wrote:Why not?
THat's not a reason. Why not.. Because at a stroke it makes a whole lot of work for authors who have screen shots in their books and articles that are now wrong.

Is there any benefit to the new layout ? (Just downloading it now to have a look see).

PeterO

PS: Download seems really slow... I doubt it will arrive before DrWho starts !

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Downloads are "slow" at the moment probably because there are several tens of thousands of people plugging freshly-unwrapped Pis into their home networks and hammering the OS image mirrors.

The UI was due for a substantial overhaul (note that this is *not* the same as the window manager - two distinct and separate concepts) due to a large number of idiosyncracies or non-intuitive interfaces that negatively impact the "out-of-box experience". Simon has been keeping a list (checking it twice) and it's currently running to several pages.

Most of the items on the list are mild annoyances but there are some big ones that got fixed. WiFi configuration in particular should be a much smoother user experience.

This work has also resulted in quite a few bugfixes for upstream LXDE.
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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:03 pm

I have no idea what new UI you may be talking about but a few thoughts spring to mind:

1) Who cares? Aren't you guys typing into consoles and ssh sessions to commune with your Pi's?

2) GUIs are supposed to be user friendly and helpful. If you need books and blogs full of screen shots to get you going they have failed. Might as well use the command line.

I guess I should install the latest Raspbian to see what you mean. Probably I can't tell the difference though.
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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:07 pm

One of the reasons I don't use the desktop (aside from limited number of desktop applications which don't have better, faster, command-line alternatives) is that default LXDE is incredibly ugly, wpa_gui is terrible, and there's junk all over the place. Judging by the screenshots (I haven't tried the new image yet), a lot of that has been resolved with the new UI, so yay. I'd prefer the panel at the bottom, but meh, that's just personal preference.

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Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:23 pm

Heater wrote: 2) GUIs are supposed to be user friendly and helpful. If you need books and blogs full of screen shots to get you going they have failed. Might as well use the command line.
Indeed , but how many manuals have you seen for GUI applications that have page after page of screen shots showing you which menu item you have to select in order to perform the most basic of tasks ? ;)

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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:12 pm

I personally think the new GUI is a definite improvement. It is really good to see that PCManFM has been updated to the latest version, and the bug in the "size on disk" that it reports for files has been fixed. The font change makes things look a bit more appealing as well.

One loss is the "other" folder in the main menu that was useful for seeing what other stuff is available on the system: I would like to see this return. I prefer the panel at the bottom of the screen, but putting it at the top is more consistent with other Linux distributions.

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Re: the new ui?

Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:42 pm

ric96 wrote:but why the new ui
was it necessary?
which "new UI"? Do you mean GUI?

It is a bit strange to start a thread without explaining which "UI" you are talking About ! Raspbians UI, XBMCs UI, riscOS. UI?, the command-line interface?
They are all User interfaces!

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:11 am

andrum99 wrote: I prefer the panel at the bottom of the screen, but putting it at the top is more consistent with other Linux distributions.
Really ? Which ones ? (So I know to avoid them)

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:55 am

One thing about it- I found a Task Manager - I don't know if it was there before but if it was - I never noticed so its made at least one positive point with me :)
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Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:09 am

simplesi wrote:One thing about it- I found a Task Manager - I don't know if it was there before but if it was - I never noticed so its made at least one positive point with me :)
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Re: the new ui?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:55 am

Hello,
andrum99 wrote:One loss is the "other" folder in the main menu that was useful for seeing what other stuff is available on the system: I would like to see this return. I prefer the panel at the bottom of the screen, but putting it at the top is more consistent with other Linux distributions.
I miss the other folder! Would like to see its return.
If you right click the panel and select Panel Settings you can put it where you like.

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Re: the new ui?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:22 pm

jdb wrote:
PeterO wrote:
DirkS wrote:Why not?
THat's not a reason. Why not.. Because at a stroke it makes a whole lot of work for authors who have screen shots in their books and articles that are now wrong.

Is there any benefit to the new layout ? (Just downloading it now to have a look see).

PeterO

PS: Download seems really slow... I doubt it will arrive before DrWho starts !

PeterO
Downloads are "slow" at the moment probably because there are several tens of thousands of people plugging freshly-unwrapped Pis into their home networks and hammering the OS image mirrors.

The UI was due for a substantial overhaul (note that this is *not* the same as the window manager - two distinct and separate concepts) due to a large number of idiosyncracies or non-intuitive interfaces that negatively impact the "out-of-box experience". Simon has been keeping a list (checking it twice) and it's currently running to several pages.

Most of the items on the list are mild annoyances but there are some big ones that got fixed. WiFi configuration in particular should be a much smoother user experience.

This work has also resulted in quite a few bugfixes for upstream LXDE.
This. Spoke to Simon quite a bit when he was doing the work - there are a lot of inconsistencies that are now fixed, LXDE bugs that are fixed (for everyone, not just Pi people), and the Wifi stuff is leagues better. I understand it is faster as well.
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Re: the new ui?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:41 pm

jamesh wrote: I understand it is faster as well.
It feels faster over VNC

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:01 pm

It feels faster over VNC
I thought that but thought it was some sort of placebo effect :)

I'll try and do a bit more comparisioin between two running setups

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Re: the new ui?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:57 pm

PeterO wrote:Really ? Which ones ? (So I know to avoid them)
Ubuntu did at one point with the default interface.

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:12 pm

marked wrote:
PeterO wrote:Really ? Which ones ? (So I know to avoid them)
Ubuntu did at one point with the default interface.
I already avoid Ubnubnub for more significant reasons !
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Re: The Raspbian new UI thread

Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:39 pm

I just did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on my B+ and I did not notice any UI changes on reboot.

Mind you I normally commune with my Pis over SSH so I'm not familiar with the desktop.

What should I be looking for?

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Re: The Raspbian new UI thread

Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:46 pm

Heater wrote:I just did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on my B+ and I did not notice any UI changes on reboot.

Mind you I normally commune with my Pis over SSH so I'm not familiar with the desktop.

What should I be looking for?
dist-upgrade + install raspberrypi-ui-mods (see http://www.raspberrypi.org/merry-christ ... -a-new-pi/, end of the article)

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Re: the new ui?

Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:12 pm

andrum99 wrote: One loss is the "other" folder in the main menu that was useful for seeing what other stuff is available on the system: I would like to see this return. I prefer the panel at the bottom of the screen, but putting it at the top is more consistent with other Linux distributions.
To add the "Other" directory to your LXDE Start Menu you just need to edit one file. In the LXTerminal type:

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sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/menus/lxde-pi-applications.menu
Copy and paste these lines into the file somewhere (I pasted them below "<!-- End System Tools -->"), save the file, and it will appear in your menu without a reboot:

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	<!-- Other -->
	<Menu>
		<Name>Other</Name>
		<Directory>lxde-other.directory</Directory>
		<OnlyUnallocated/>
		<Include>
			<And>
				<Not><Category>Core</Category></Not>
				<Not><Category>Settings</Category></Not>
				<Not><Category>Screensaver</Category></Not>
			</And>
		</Include>
		</Menu> 
		<!-- End Other -->

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:14 pm

Heater wrote:I have no idea what new UI you may be talking about but a few thoughts spring to mind:

1) Who cares? Aren't you guys typing into consoles and ssh sessions to commune with your Pi's?

2) GUIs are supposed to be user friendly and helpful. If you need books and blogs full of screen shots to get you going they have failed. Might as well use the command line.

I guess I should install the latest Raspbian to see what you mean. Probably I can't tell the difference though.
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