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B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:42 pm

- Is the model B+ still made in the UK by Sony?

- Which supplier is the one that sells the "Made in the UK" versions?

- Is it fair to advertise price as $35=£21.09 (Wednesday, 27 August 2014), when with all the add-ons (tax, import duty, etc.) is the cost £26.95?


- Does anyone know of cheaper retailer here in the UK?
-- http://uk.rs-online.com £29.22
-- http://cpc.farnell.com £27.44
-- http://www.amazon.co.uk £26.95

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:49 pm

All B+ are made in Wales
it is fair to advertise it at $35 + tax and delivery
exchange rates changer all the time
the £27 amazon one is provided by the foundation


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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:57 pm

Up until recently the model B had been available on amazon for £23.99 for months at a time:

http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Raspberry ... B008PT4GGC
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or for model B+

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:11 pm

the £27 amazon one is provided by the foundation
According to Amazon there are several sellers of the Raspberry Pi also I don't see RPF being one of them. http://www.amazon.co.uk//dp/B00LPESRUK/

Furthermore someone's done a whoopsy with the product description: Processor Type ARM710 erm no it's not an ARMv3 processor it's ARMv6 / ARM11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR ... ned_by_ARM

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:13 pm

marcelp1 wrote:- Is the model B+ still made in the UK by Sony?

- Which supplier is the one that sells the "Made in the UK" versions?

- Is it fair to advertise price as $35=£21.09 (Wednesday, 27 August 2014), when with all the add-ons (tax, import duty, etc.) is the cost £26.95?


- Does anyone know of cheaper retailer here in the UK?
-- http://uk.rs-online.com £29.22
-- http://cpc.farnell.com £27.44
-- http://www.amazon.co.uk £26.95
The price is $35.00 whatever country it is bought in, but that is without any taxes, so yes it is fair, at least the RPF and Partners are being transparent by offering a global price for a globally sold product.
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:36 pm

The pre-tax argument has been running since the Raspi was first released. By quoting before tax and in dollars, it means the price is consistent worldwide. You then need to add you own countries tax and P&P, which clearly varies a lot around the world.
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:31 pm

http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... -model-b-1
£28 including an 8GB microSD card with NOOBS pre-installed.

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:54 pm

jamesh wrote:The pre-tax argument has been running since the Raspi was first released. By quoting before tax and in dollars, it means the price is consistent worldwide. You then need to add you own countries tax and P&P.
If it was just tax and justified shipping costs that varied that would be one thing but afaict the variation in what people are charged to get a Pi arround the world is much greater than can be reasonablly justified by those things alone.

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:49 pm

mikerr wrote:Up until recently the model B had been available on amazon for £23.99 for months at a time:

http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Raspberry ... B008PT4GGC
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or for model B+

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http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Raspberry ... ext=browse

This is interesting, does anyone over here got a view on how did Amazon managed to get the price on £23.89 and new model (for the same price) comes up and price goes up?

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:58 pm

What is the alternative way of stating the cost?
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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:59 pm

I think it is fair but then again I live in the US where the price remains constant. They just gouge us on shipping. That was until I realized Newegg has them for $36 with free shipping. That extra dollar is worth it considering the official suppliers have charged me as much as $11 for shipping making the total cost $46. It is what it is...how many of these threads have to show up? I'm not sure anything could be done other than raising the advertised price so that the actual sale price was always below that.

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:59 pm

AndrewS wrote:http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... -model-b-1
£28 including an 8GB microSD card with NOOBS pre-installed.
Could not find any information about the supplied microSD card?
How does cheap Class 4 microSDHC card compare to microSDHC UHS-I Class 10 card running rasbian?

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:23 pm

Generally, class 10 do not give much if any, of a performance upgrade, but that depends on the type of accesses you are making. Class 10 are optimised for long sequential bursts of writing (video), which is not particularly suited to the Raspi. Class 4 or 6 generally have as good random access performance, but it does depend on the card it self.
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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:25 pm

plugwash wrote:
jamesh wrote:The pre-tax argument has been running since the Raspi was first released. By quoting before tax and in dollars, it means the price is consistent worldwide. You then need to add you own countries tax and P&P.
If it was just tax and justified shipping costs that varied that would be one thing but afaict the variation in what people are charged to get a Pi arround the world is much greater than can be reasonablly justified by those things alone.
That's a different story. Clearly the Foundation cannot control all sales sources, they can just do their best to ensure that the main suppliers keep to the correct level of cost. Where the main suppliers do not have a presence this can be problematic.
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:52 pm

marcelp1 wrote:
AndrewS wrote:http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... -model-b-1
£28 including an 8GB microSD card with NOOBS pre-installed.
Could not find any information about the supplied microSD card?
How does cheap Class 4 microSDHC card compare to microSDHC UHS-I Class 10 card running rasbian?
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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:38 pm

RaTTuS wrote:it is fair to advertise it at $35 + tax and delivery
Though I don't think I have ever seen a Pi for sale in the UK at $35 when the exchange rate is taken into account. That $35 is currently £21.11 while both RS and Farnell are selling for £24.35 which is $40.37; 15% over expected price.

Is paying £3.24 more than one would expect to pay at current exchange rates fair ? I don't know but I don't see how the exchange rate problem can be overcome if advertising in a currency other than it is being sold in.

I am intrigued to know what RS and Farnell would do if someone actually paid them $35, £21.11 rather than the £24.35 they were expecting :D

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:42 pm

hippy wrote:
RaTTuS wrote:it is fair to advertise it at $35 + tax and delivery
Though I don't think I have ever seen a Pi for sale in the UK at $35 when the exchange rate is taken into account. That $35 is currently £21.11 while both RS and Farnell are selling for £24.35 which is $40.37; 15% over expected price.

Is paying £3.24 more than one would expect to pay at current exchange rates fair ? I don't know but I don't see how the exchange rate problem can be overcome if advertising in a currency other than it is being sold in.

I am intrigued to know what RS and Farnell would do if someone actually paid them $35, £21.11 rather than the £24.35 they were expecting :D
The $35.00 has been stated ad-infinitum is less taxes, shipping etcetera so why are you flogging this... :twisted:
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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:49 pm

AndrewS wrote:http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... -model-b-1
£28 including an 8GB microSD card with NOOBS pre-installed.
£32.00 .. including shipping for £4.00 (including £5.33 taxes.) :(

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:55 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:The $35.00 has been stated ad-infinitum is less taxes, shipping etcetera so why are you flogging this... :twisted:
Because one genuinely cannot buy a Pi from RS or Farnell for $35 (£21.11) + tax + shipping. They both want $40.37(£24.35) + tax + shipping.

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:00 pm

marcelp1 wrote:
AndrewS wrote:http://swag.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... -model-b-1
£28 including an 8GB microSD card with NOOBS pre-installed.
£32.00 .. including shipping for £4.00 (including £5.33 taxes.) :(
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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:06 pm

£32.00 .. including shipping for £4.00 (including £5.33 taxes.) :(
Well at least it's not Maplin they're charging £34.99 just for the board alone plus £8.50 economy delivery http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/raspberry-pi- ... oard-n52dv :D

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:06 pm

hippy wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:The $35.00 has been stated ad-infinitum is less taxes, shipping etcetera so why are you flogging this... :twisted:
Because one genuinely cannot buy a Pi from RS or Farnell for $35 (£21.11) + tax + shipping. They both want $40.37(£24.35) + tax + shipping.
The price is based on the cost of the RPi when manufactured, that was not today. International currency fluactions effect prices
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:14 pm

redhawk wrote:
£32.00 .. including shipping for £4.00 (including £5.33 taxes.) :(
Well at least it's not Maplin they're charging £34.99 just for the board alone plus £8.50 economy delivery http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/raspberry-pi- ... oard-n52dv :D
Maplin are obviously going for the old $ = £ pricing model - they're selling the Model A for £24.99 too ;)

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:20 pm

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Re: B+ Made in the UK / Price - Cost

Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:10 pm

hippy wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:The $35.00 has been stated ad-infinitum is less taxes, shipping etcetera so why are you flogging this... :twisted:
Because one genuinely cannot buy a Pi from RS or Farnell for $35 (£21.11) + tax + shipping. They both want $40.37(£24.35) + tax + shipping.
$35 = £21.11 add VAT at 20% = £25.33

Pi model B has been cheaper than that - at least from amazon - see the graph I posted.
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