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Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:28 pm
by rickwookie
Hi

When I bought my first Model A (7 months ago), it cost me £16.11 + VAT (in the UK) from RS. Now I go to get another one and I see that the price for a single unit is now £20 + VAT. That's an increase of over 24%.

If I want a Model A now at close to the previous price, I need to buy 100 units! What's with that?

R.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:43 pm
by mikerr
Still same price at http://cpc.farnell.com/ - £16.03 + VAT (for 1)
£19.24 inc

Or the current bargain is this one saving around a tenner:

Model A and the Pi Camera bundle for £26.14 ex vat
£31.37 inc VAT !!

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/besp ... &CMP=NLem3

free delivery too - I can't stop buying Pi

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:49 pm
by pluggy
rickwookie wrote:What's with that?

R.
Ask RS, nobody here can answer that.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:13 pm
by Narf03
If there are any discount for bulk purchase please let me know too =P

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:29 am
by JoeDaStudd
With CPC you can use cashback sites like TCB which will help reduce the cost (~85p cashback per unit). If your willing to hold stock, go down the cashback route and sell on items the Model A + Camera module deal is hard to beat.
The combo costs £31.37, of which you can get £1.32 cashback per item.
The camera module sells for £20+ on ebay, so if you said after postage and fees you get £17 per module.
That means each Model A costs only £13.05 over 100 units its about £700 saving over the RRP of £20.05.
Of course the £700 saving does come at the cost of your time packing and posting the camera modules.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:17 am
by jamesh
rickwookie wrote:Hi

When I bought my first Model A (7 months ago), it cost me £16.11 + VAT (in the UK) from RS. Now I go to get another one and I see that the price for a single unit is now £20 + VAT. That's an increase of over 24%.

If I want a Model A now at close to the previous price, I need to buy 100 units! What's with that?

R.
As well as the above, the exchange rate may well have changed considerably since your first purchase.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:23 pm
by rickwookie
jamesh wrote:
rickwookie wrote:Hi

When I bought my first Model A (7 months ago), it cost me £16.11 + VAT (in the UK) from RS. Now I go to get another one and I see that the price for a single unit is now £20 + VAT. That's an increase of over 24%.

If I want a Model A now at close to the previous price, I need to buy 100 units! What's with that?

R.
As well as the above, the exchange rate may well have changed considerably since your first purchase.
It has changed a bit, that is the pound is now slightly stronger against the dollar (1.6 now compared to about 1.5 then), so if anything, the price should have gone down, not up. That's assuming the price is supposed to be fixed at US$25, even though the Model A's are made in the UK and sold by RS in the UK to me in the UK.

Regarding
pluggy wrote:
rickwookie wrote:What's with that?

R.
Ask RS, nobody here can answer that.
I would have thought that both RS and Farnell were under some sort of contract with the RPF to not just charge whatever they like. No?

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:50 pm
by AndrewS
rickwookie wrote:I would have thought that both RS and Farnell were under some sort of contract with the RPF to not just charge whatever they like. No?
Don't be surprised if that's commercially-sensitive information, that nobody's allowed to tell us :|

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:12 pm
by jamesh
Actually, they have to charge $25 or $35, but P&P, exchange rates (from when RS or Farnell bought the boards) etc will make that price jump around a little.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:24 am
by rickwookie
jamesh wrote:Actually, they have to charge $25 or $35, but P&P, exchange rates (from when RS or Farnell bought the boards) etc will make that price jump around a little.
So we're missing my original point then, as this is not about price fluctuation. The UK RS one off price (excluding VAT and delivery) is approx $32. To get units for close to $25 you need to buy 100 units.
If the have to charge $25 for a Model A, did nobody stipulate that this must apply to single units?

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:46 am
by jamesh
rickwookie wrote:
jamesh wrote:Actually, they have to charge $25 or $35, but P&P, exchange rates (from when RS or Farnell bought the boards) etc will make that price jump around a little.
So we're missing my original point then, as this is not about price fluctuation. The UK RS one off price (excluding VAT and delivery) is approx $32. To get units for close to $25 you need to buy 100 units.
If the have to charge $25 for a Model A, did nobody stipulate that this must apply to single units?
Are you talking about the Model A then? Current RS prices are : Model B £26 ex vat, model A £20 ex vat. That seems pretty close to the official price point to me, given that price include delivery.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:17 am
by Cancelor
Why buy a model A when you can get a model B for less?

Ebay is your friend. Got my brand new model B plus pre loaded 8GB Memory Card for £17 and that included postage.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:35 am
by RaTTuS
from farnell
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Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:30 am
by jamesh
Cancelor wrote:Why buy a model A when you can get a model B for less?

Ebay is your friend. Got my brand new model B plus pre loaded 8GB Memory Card for £17 and that included postage.
I doubt there will be many of those, given it appears to be selling (as a guess) at close to cost.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:38 am
by mikerr
Cancelor wrote:Ebay is your friend. Got my brand new model B plus pre loaded 8GB Memory Card for £17 and that included postage.
sounds like a lucky one-off auction ? Or maybe sold as faulty when it was just a SD card problem ?

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:47 am
by SirLagz
Cancelor wrote:Why buy a model A when you can get a model B for less?

Ebay is your friend. Got my brand new model B plus pre loaded 8GB Memory Card for £17 and that included postage.
You have to be careful on eBay.
Someone on the forums got ripped off - bought a 512MB Model B, received a 256MB Model B

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:52 am
by LemmeFatale
Not to mention all the fake-capacity SD Cards that flood the place... :evil:

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:45 am
by fuffkin
It's an interesting devleopment that both RS & Farnell offer now volume discounts. I was under the, presumably misguided, impression that they sold the boards at cost and made the margin up on the accessories. This was further supported by the fact that most of the Cashback sites excluded the Raspberry Pi from the discount - you could get a discount on everything else on your order.

Maybe they're sneaking a lilttle bit (or more) of margin in there.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:05 am
by RaTTuS
they have a price point they have to meet with the foundation - it's not saying that they can get in for even less ....

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:09 am
by Cancelor
fuffkin wrote:It's an interesting devleopment that both RS & Farnell offer now volume discounts. I was under the, presumably misguided, impression that they sold the boards at cost and made the margin up on the accessories. This was further supported by the fact that most of the Cashback sites excluded the Raspberry Pi from the discount - you could get a discount on everything else on your order.

Maybe they're sneaking a lilttle bit (or more) of margin in there.
It depends what you mean by 'selling at cost' ... to me this is not the same as selling for what you bought them at. The act of selling, unpacking boxes of 100 to sell as 1, picking from the store, admin etc are all costs. To sell at cost means adding all these costs together.

Having said all of that, I am still not privy to any agreement the foundation may or may not have made.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:14 am
by jamesh
RS and Farnell have always had a margin on the devices. Not much point is spending all that money if you don't. That margin is prety small though. Over time the manufacturing cost of the Pi has presumably got a bit cheaper (remember RS and Farnell do the manufacturing, the Foundation takes a licence fee per board), so their margin may have increased. I've no idea what it is though.

The small margin is the reason they don't get included in deals.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:24 pm
by rickwookie
jamesh wrote:
rickwookie wrote:
jamesh wrote:Actually, they have to charge $25 or $35, but P&P, exchange rates (from when RS or Farnell bought the boards) etc will make that price jump around a little.
So we're missing my original point then, as this is not about price fluctuation. The UK RS one off price (excluding VAT and delivery) is approx $32. To get units for close to $25 you need to buy 100 units.
If the have to charge $25 for a Model A, did nobody stipulate that this must apply to single units?
Are you talking about the Model A then? Current RS prices are : Model B £26 ex vat, model A £20 ex vat. That seems pretty close to the official price point to me, given that price include delivery.
Right so THAT'S what's changed! RS price last time did not include delivery. However, as an RS account holder I always got free delivery (when spending more than £20 i.e. buying more than just a Model A) or I just collect from their local trade counter when I'm passing.

On the main page on RS when you look for Raspberry Pi I'm sure it asks you if you're a home or business user... If you're a business user, then the price really shouldn't include delivery IMHO.

Re: Need to buy 100 units now to get old price?!

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:36 pm
by kalehrl
I'm not rs components account holder and when I ordered raspi camera, I got free delivery to my country.
I was pleasantly surprised because when I ordered raspi board, I was charged around 6 euros for delivery.