I have been looking at the Cubieboard and the Beagle Bone Black.W. H. Heydt wrote:
That's what I'm using Cubieboards for....servers to support Pis. Weaker GPU, 1GB RAM, powers down on "halt" and has a pushbutton to power it back on (or force it to shut down). The SATA port supports the "server" usage as well. I doubt that Raspbian (which I'm using for MY compatability) fully supports the ARMv7 on it, but it runs okay. I'm seriously thinking of getting a Cubie 2 to be an even better server, since that board is dual core.
I don't see these boards as Pi replacements or successors, but as support servers. On the other hand, if the RPF decided to put out a supplemental SBC with, essentially, the same features, I'd snap it up. Not that I'm holding my breath waiting for that to happen. (RPF has better support from a larger community, as shown by the fact that the "Debian" release for the Cubie's is Raspbian.)
Heh... And overpriced as well. (Not *horribly* overpriced, but over priced. You can get that board for $50.)pluggy wrote:Sheesh, the super dooper Pi is already available.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-PI- ... 232af531b7
It must be a Raspberry Pi, it says so....
1 GB Ram, SATA interface, better ARM processor, runs Android and Ubuntu - all you ever wanted.
I have no idea. I've using them exclusively with SSDs. For my application I am far more interested in speed than capacity.Lob0426 wrote: I have been looking at the Cubieboard and the Beagle Bone Black.
Does the Cubieboard support HDD spin down?
I'm certainly not going to argue against any of that.It is funny what people think you can build for under a $100. There certainly are people out there that want $200 worth of board for $35. They want a retail box that has XBMC already installed or home automation out of the box. The truth is there are retail products that do those things. My Sony Blu-Ray player can do about anything XBMC can and a lot more for just over $100. And if you are willing to pony up then home automation is out there too, probably $1000+ or so, but it is out there.
If you want to build either of those things yourself then that is what a Raspberry Pi can be used for. It will take some research, some calluses on your fingers and unfortunately the worst of it all is you might have to learn something. Learning is what drove the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Now it is easy for someone to call out whiners and whingers, but it is harder to realize that our education systems have left a large part of our people ignorant to anything but retail devices. In other words Consumers. Here in the U.S. the majority of schools very rarely touched upon anything more than "keyboarding" or how to use one or another of Microsoft products. This is a generalization of our education system, but a fact, except at some pretty rare schools. (lets see that would be whining)
In my little town of Susanville the Football team is more important than just about anything else, including learning the basics. The band was cut back with funding, not the football team, Girls baseball was cut. There never has been any real technology course here and it would have been cut if there was. Funding is getting hard to spread around. (so is that whining or whinging)
There are exactly 8 Raspberry Pi's that I know for sure that are here. Mine and my brothers broods of RasPii. I have tried to find them and I cannot seem to find any here. I have tried to give a Raspberry Pi away, here, to a kid and he could not look away from his iPhone long enough to really see what he was being offered. (this is probably whinging)
So what we need to really be doing is finding a way to get every kid into a bare device that he or she has to put some mental sweat equity into. We will probably have to block their cell signal, so they will quit texting long enough to give it a try. We will have to cut their Internet to get them off twitter, Facebook etc. And we have to make it interesting. (this is a fact)
If newb (over)enthusiasm within the community bugs you so much then perhaps you could consider starting your own community with your own rules. Or you could just try to accept that individuals within a community will not always share the same opinions.Oakham wrote:At the end of the day to create a better Pi, the Broadcom SoC would have to go, therefore everything would need re-compiling for ARMv7.
Goodbye a whole community of early adoptors to feed some loonies who have no understanding of computers......
IMO ALL POSTS STATING I WANT A BETTER PI SHOULD BE MOVED TO OFF-TOPIC !!
I sometimes wonder if the issue of the alternative boards is a matter of awareness or not... That is to say, it sometimes seems that some folks specifically want a new Raspberry Pi because they want the features but only want to pay RPi prices...Heater wrote:For any one wanting a better Pi than the Pi there are already a ton of other boards to choose from. Just get one and sign up for those guys forum.
This is not so. I don't see a move to ARM V7 as being a big deal. Compatibility will be very good....new foundation board, or a board by another group, means no backward compatibility or limited compatibility.
Keeping a list would prevent a new "What I want for the next Pi" thread every week. The worst possible thing would be to vote on it. You will end up with a product designed for people who complain the loudest and an escalation of conflict on the forums as people advocate their personal interests. Its preferable that research be done that includes a larger sampling pool than "people with enough free time to complain on the internet" to prioritize features that add the most value to the product.gsh wrote:It would be better for us to keep a list of items and for people to vote for their favorites...
I agree about the code compatibility. I'm running Raspbian on Cubieboards. I'm probably not getting optimal performace (my sysadmin foo hasn't gotten to looking to find an ARMv7 source and I'm not willing--at the moment--to start recompiling my own system), but it runs. Now it's true that I'm not pushing the envelope on anything. I'm primarily running MySQL (which just takes some apt-get commands) and I recompiled my C programs, but so far everything works "out of the box".Heater wrote:Lob0426,This is not so. I don't see a move to ARM V7 as being a big deal. Compatibility will be very good....new foundation board, or a board by another group, means no backward compatibility or limited compatibility.
When you get there you will have the same Debian as you are used to.
Unlike in the Windows world we don't have to move binary code over. Debian all ready exists for it and all packages work just the same.
For any code you need to compile just copy the source over and it will compile the same.
I have Debian 7 on ARM boards with ARM V7 and it hardly possible to tell which is which when I move my projects around.
The things that will catch you out are peripheral, like the arrangement of GPIO and such. That should not be so hard to accommodate.
Then there may be graphics issues for those hacking closely to the GPU. I don't think that worries most of us.
http://blog.ted.com/2013/06/14/wherefor ... obal-2013/W. H. Heydt wrote:The other would be a "server" version that would be more expensive ($50 to $70 range) that would be specifically designed to act as a file/database/web/etc. server for a whole bunch of Pis.
What was the problem you were trying to solve?
[...]And the skills of those applicants had dropped — many who felt “technical” had only ever written a web page.[...]
Has anyone thought of a poll to see what the most wanted features really are. A realistic feature request poll!gsh wrote:As director of engineering for Raspberry Pi, I definitely wouldn't want the discussion to go elsewhere! We are always interested in things that could be added to the Pi, but the point is we're very cost limited.
It would be better for us to keep a list of items and for people to vote for their favorites... Then we can weigh up the costs with this to decide what we could add in the future. But we'll never compromise the primary aims of the Raspberry Pi in this choice...
From the cost standpoint, I'm less than certain about the memory issue. The upcoming CubieTruck (CT) is slated to have a 2GB option (and, of all things, VGA out) and they're still targeting under $100. It looks to be an "everything but the kitchen sink" board.Lob0426 wrote: I do not think we will se 2GB ram on that list. Or 2GHz. Or USB 3.0 ! The big budget items are probably the SoC and the PCB.
Yes, from the cost standpoint perhaps, but not from a practical standpoint! The type of PoP RAM the PI uses (package on package, with a specific ball grid array pinout and electrical interface) simply do not exist with higher capacity than 512MB, and as makers of such RAM's have since gone on making PoP packages only for more modern SoC's they will never go back to make one for such an old SoC, unless miracles happen. But even a tenfold increase in yearly sales of the PI "miracle" won't make it happen.W. H. Heydt wrote:
From the cost standpoint, I'm less than certain about the memory issue. The upcoming CubieTruck (CT) is slated to have a 2GB option (and, of all things, VGA out) and they're still targeting under $100. It looks to be an "everything but the kitchen sink" board.