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PiMiner article contains link to porn

Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:52 pm

The Lady Ada article contains a link to bitmit. This site contains adverts for hardcore pornography.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4243#comment-99811

Please remove ASAP and inform LadyAda.

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:12 pm

I think it's been corrected I don't see any porno links or anything associated with bitmit on the article page as far as I can see.

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:12 am

Seems to be time based and location sensitive. Others have seen the explicit adverts. I am quite shocked that the article is still available. The foundation need to pull this ASAP. I understand they are not responsible for external links but that does not stop an angry parent contacting the press when their 12 year son surfs as I did to that site looking for the device and finds explicit porn adverts.

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:22 am

Richard - a lot of us have looked (us and the Adafruit guys), and seen nothing. Are you sure this is not a problem with your machine? You're the only person who has reported the problem so far. Also, I'm sure you're aware that complaining to us about ads on a site which have been linked to not by us, but by a site we linked to, isn't likely to get you any results.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:34 am

Never mind the porn.

I was shocked that the Raspberry Pi Foundation, as a charitable organization with an educational remit, would want to associate itself with a subversive money making scheme that many consider a scam.

If nothing else encouraging people to make money out of thin air (at least after they have paid for the latest bit coining gizmo) is akin to encouraging gambling. Hardly an educational endeavour.
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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:36 am

Liz, it is location and time based. At the moment it shows just normal adverts for me. Have a look tonight at around 11pm on the local listings tab and you'll be shocked.

I repeat, it is NOT my pc that is suggesting these adverts to the site. Another user has also reported seeing these and has posted an explanation.

I will take a video tonight to show you if you wish but you really need to pull it for a day or so until you can be sure it's clean. I'm sorry it does sound like I got a bee in my bonnet and maybe spoiling your day on this but experience has taught me you can not be too careful with this kind of stuff.

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:37 am

Heater wrote:Never mind the porn.

I was shocked that the Raspberry Pi Foundation, as a charitable organization with an educational remit, would want to associate itself with a subversive money making scheme that many consider a scam.

If nothing else encouraging people to make money out of thin air (at least after they have paid for the latest bit coining gizmo) is akin to encouraging gambling. Hardly an educational endeavour.
On the other hand, that's just your opinion, and a lot of people believe otherwise. I have no thoughts one way or the other.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:44 am

I see no ads at all on the Adafruit page.

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:51 am

Adafruit just links to bitmit.net [deliberate non-link there]

The problem is Bitmit redirects that randomly - sometimes to "bestsellers", sometimes to "hot auctions" etc..

My guess is that there may be adult content in "hot auctions" at some times of the day
there are certainly explicit advert listings on bitmit if you look ; it's like a non-policed ebay

While I like the idea of bitcoins, it's hard to ignore its heavy use for less savoury activities.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:56 am

the url to the sales site [bitmit] can contain links to stuff that some people may find inappropriate ...
there is nothing wrong with bitcoins they are a very interesting technology and a good way of introducing people to cryptography [IMO].
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:20 pm

mikerr wrote:Adafruit just links to bitmit.net [deliberate non-link there]

The problem is Bitmit redirects that randomly - sometimes to "bestsellers", sometimes to "hot auctions" etc..

My guess is that there may be adult content in "hot auctions" at some times of the day
there are certainly explicit advert listings on bitmit if you look ; it's like a non-policed ebay

While I like the idea of bitcoins, it's hard to ignore its heavy use for less savoury activities.
OK, I see a couple of auction for adult site access. These particular ones aren't explicit on the listing.

Presumably you use some sort of family filter on your PCs. Can't you add that site to the filter and report it to your filtering provider?

I understand your concern, but it's going a bot far to ask website A to remove legitimate links to website B because B has legitimate links to website C that has some links to adult content.

Just googling "bitcoin auction" turns up bitmit (with safe search on).

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:54 pm

jamesh,
On the other hand, that's just your opinion, and a lot of people believe otherwise.
What I am observing is that a lot of people want to run a bitcoin miner in the hope of making money in return for doing nothing.
I observe there is a booming market in gadgets, to do that bitcoin mining.
Clearly people are buying those gadgets in the hope of making some money out of nothing.
Clearly the guys selling those gadgets realise that it might be more profitable to make and sell those gadgets than do any actual bitcoin mining. After all if the gadgets worked as advertised why would you sell them rather than just use them yourself to make bitcoins?

Conclusion: This is no different than gambling. There is not much room for my opinion here, it's just what is happening.

Of course there are many other facets of the bitcoin idea that maybe a matter of opinion. Like: Is it OK for people to desire to use a method of exchange that is outside of the banking system or any government regulation etc etc?
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:59 pm

Making money out of nothing is what the World's banking system is based on. BitCoin just removes the cocaine-covered paper component. If value was truly determined by effort then most of us in the developed World would have the shock of our lives ...
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:04 pm

PiMinor and porn? Are you sure it's not just BBC BASIC? (another bad joke from the little folk in the little holes underground on zero pay)
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:45 pm

Thanks for turning yourself in.
Now we know that you watch hardcore porn all the time and that your web browser cookies are haunting you.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:10 pm

Heater wrote:jamesh,
On the other hand, that's just your opinion, and a lot of people believe otherwise.
What I am observing is that a lot of people want to run a bitcoin miner in the hope of making money in return for doing nothing.
I observe there is a booming market in gadgets, to do that bitcoin mining.
Clearly people are buying those gadgets in the hope of making some money out of nothing.
Clearly the guys selling those gadgets realise that it might be more profitable to make and sell those gadgets than do any actual bitcoin mining. After all if the gadgets worked as advertised why would you sell them rather than just use them yourself to make bitcoins?

Conclusion: This is no different than gambling. There is not much room for my opinion here, it's just what is happening.

Of course there are many other facets of the bitcoin idea that maybe a matter of opinion. Like: Is it OK for people to desire to use a method of exchange that is outside of the banking system or any government regulation etc etc?
Quite a lot of companies sell you stuff, I believe it's what make the world go round. As far as I know, it's not related to gambling.

Stockbrokers buy and sell shares for other people. They seem to make a decent living, without buying/selling shares for themselves. Surely, if it were better to buy and sell shares for themselves, that would be what they did?
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:49 pm

solar3000 wrote:Thanks for turning yourself in.
Now we know that you watch hardcore porn all the time and that your web browser cookies are haunting you.
Please read all the thread before making defamatory statements. MikeR has already explained why during the day the links seem to be ok. As I have stated this site is NOT using cookies to decide on the content to displayed.

Please don't shoot the messenger, I am not stupid and I did anticipate a response of nature.
My only concern is that this fantastic website is not blemished by an a bad link on a news story they link too. It only takes one irate and unreasonable parent to kick up a right fuss to cause a lot of pain for the foundation.

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:01 pm

Well I've checked the pages last night as soon as it was reported but never saw any porn ads nor any other ads.
Perhaps it depends on time and location but I find it really odd that one group of people can see adverts while another lot of people do not.

Could someone please post a screen dump (with stuff blanked out) just to illustrate what these ads look like and where they're positioned on the page.

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:19 pm

It's not banner adverts, it's auction listings, and it's on the boitcoin auction site linked from the Adafruit article. I saw a couple of listings for accounts on adult sites. They had small low res icons and titles like "1 year account xxxx.com" or "playboy.tv premium account". The icons I saw showed nothing recognisably graphic, but that may vary.

It's an auction site where people sell all sorts of stuff and some people are auctioning access to adult sites.

In the interests of this topic I clicked through to the full item listing. Again nothing graphic, larger icons but very low-res. I assume some may have higher res images there, if you click through.

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:51 pm

As I've already told OP on the main page comments, where he's also been making a fuss about this, complaining here about something linked to by a site linked to a site we've linked to is MANY layers of abstraction deeper than we care or are worried about.

Richard, I'm touched by your concern, but it's inappropriate given that level of abstraction, and banging on about it to the degree you are doing is just making you look prurient. We are not changing our link to Adafruit. Please let it drop.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:52 pm

MattHawkinsUK wrote:Making money out of nothing is what the World's banking system is based on. BitCoin just removes the cocaine-covered paper component. If value was truly determined by effort then most of us in the developed World would have the shock of our lives ...
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:52 pm

Seems to be a bit of disbelief going on...

Your first click through to Bitmit homepage is often auto-directed to local listings based on your location

Bad luck if you're located in or near Swindon,UK:

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It doesn't bother me personally, but I can see people getting a shock/surprise.
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Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:23 pm

mikerr wrote:Seems to be a bit of disbelief going on...

Your first click through to Bitmit homepage is often auto-directed to local listings based on your location

Bad luck if you're located in or near Swindon,UK:

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(quite small screenshot, blurred - but that's unedited what greets you)

It doesn't bother me personally, but I can see people getting a shock/surprise.
Thanks for doing that Mike. :)

I'm like you, don't really care. My only thought was for the foundation getting in hot water throw no fault of their own. The team need to talk to some experts in website that have a younger audience and get a strategy in place for when a bad link of this nature is reported. Suggesting that it is due to the users own surfing habits is the incorrect response.

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:12 pm

Has anyone who is raising concerns here contacted bitmit, a site filtering provider or even adafruit?

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Re: PiMiner article contains link to porn

Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:40 pm

Porn can be educational.

Come the revolution / apocalypse we'll all be using bitcoins. In the meantime though I think there should be health warnings associated with them as I understand that people can loose all their money when mining exchanges close and mining exchanges can make a loss due to the cost of electricity.

As the foundation is promoting this technology and does not accept bitcoins itself I think it should continue to allow critical debate about them on this forum.

I found this interesting: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bit ... ,3514.html At the end of this article the author and ex bitcoin miner concludes:
Bitcoin mining is not for the faint of heart, nor for the mathematically challenged. Invest only what you can afford to lose. Or better yet, enjoy this crazy sideshow from the bleachers.
Part of me thinks that Bitcoin is only for those evading taxes / state disruption of their trading activities (rightly or wrongly). The other part of me thinks "Hey - it could be the future, so don't knock it". It's weathered a few storms and seems to be increasing in popularity...

Can't help thinking that's mostly due to organised cross-border crime though. Some would say thats no criticism as criminals also use conventional currency.
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