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best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:40 pm

I'm a new Pi purchaser, bought mainly for XBMC but I will also set up a Raspbian card, and possibly a RetroPie card too. I will likely need a USB hub for devices. I plan to power the Pi off AC power, I have a Kodak 1.0 amp USB adapter to handle that(I can upgrade to a 2.0 or better later), so I won't use a powered hub for the Pi's power.

I will be using a keyboard, mouse, and likely a gamepad(PS1 controller with USB adapter) and will want open ports for USB flash drives, card readers, etc. I won't be using a USB HDD in my current plans. Will a powered hub be necessary to run these things or can I get by on an unpowered hub for basic devices?

This is a cheap powered 7-port hub I find in abundance on eBay but I have no idea what brand it is.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIGH-SPEED-USB- ... 0500609168

If I go unpowered I can pick up Guitar Hero/Rock Band ViPower brand hubs for very cheap at used game stores. I know those work well with Windows as they're standard 2.0 hubs though I have no idea what their specs are(but seeing as they're meant for Rock Band instruments, I would assume can handle keyboard and mouse and such). Unless there's a better unpowered alternative?

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:08 pm

You really should use a decent powered hub for that many devices. The Pi won't be able to supply enough power for a bus-powered hub and peripherals without overloading the fuse F3.

I bought a hub that looks almost identical to the one on that ebay listing the only difference is it's silver coloured. It was rubbish. Some of the ports didn't work. I opened it up and found it to be badly soldered. The power supply that came with it was rated at 5V 1000mA, but it wasn't capable of supplying anywhere near that. When I tried to use it to run a model A Pi (which takes a third of the power of a model B), it couldn't even handle that and dropped to around 3.5V! The PSU went in the bin and I now use the USB hub built into my monitor to power my model B and all its peripherals.

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:37 pm

I suppose I have a few other cheap possibilities... at the moment, between what I've dropped on a new TV, an old Dell PC and the Pi and peripherals/necessities my funds are about tapped so if I need a pricier brand name it'll have to wait a bit.

Branded but I can't read the brand name from those pics
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Port-Powered- ... 0696256459

Unbranded transparent blue with lights
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-7-Ports-Spl ... 0977490381

Unbranded powered "squid"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Port-USB-2-0- ... 0632424050

Tech Universe hub
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Powered-7-Po ... 1035758260

unbranded 10-port hub
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PORT-USB-HUB ... 0735450242

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:06 pm

FWIW: I've been investigating a number of "low-cost" hubs that can be powered but may not be supplied with a PSU, mainly because some supplied PSU's are of poor quality (this, as also noted in the wiki, seems to be often the case for generic 7-port hubs). The details can be found at http://www.cpmspectrepi.webspace.virgin ... BHubs.html (and other pages within my website). Most of the time I use either the hama or Targus hubs (the Gembird switching hub is almost permanently used to share a wired keyboard and mouse between my netbook and one of my Pi's - this is effectively "powered" by the netbook). I rarely use the hubs "powered externally" - I found that a model B Pi would work quite happily with, for example, a wired mouse, wired keyboard and USB stick via the hub and a second USB stick in the Pi's other port, so long as the Pi was powered by a good 5V 1000mA PSU. One thing to wary of, however, are devices using "Y' cables these do not work with lower-cost hubs since all the ports appear to be connected in parallel and, hence, nothing is gained via the second "power only" leg of the "Y". IMO such devices work best if separately powered (if they have the capability) from their own PSU.
HTH, Trev.
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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:00 pm

I see no one has mentioned the Verified Peripherals page. Check it out as well. And yes, I concurr, you really do need an excellent powered hub. If you search the forum and also look at the Verified Peripherals page, you will find a 7 port plugable USB hub that lots of folks really like. But I also thought it was too expensive for what I needed.

http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals

But I am powering my Pi off a cheap cellphone charger, and that enables me to look for a powered hub with fewer ports. Just got a new 4-port powered Belkin but it is not listed on the eLinux page and I have not been able to test it yet. But it would probably not power the Pi, there are 7 port ones that have a dedicated power port or two which would be better. But of course they do cost more than these cheap ones without high end features.
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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:59 pm

I've noticed that peripherals guide lists a few hubs but it's not comprehensive since I find a lot on eBay not covered- especially unbranded hubs. I also think some of those go by whether or not you can run the Pi with it as well, which I don't require but it should be a helpful guide.

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:29 pm

Yeah, the Verified Peripherals page is not comprehensive - someone has to have tried a hub and posted their experience there for it to be listed, and most Pi users won't do that. So we can take our chances with unlisted hubs we really want, but ones listed as working are a surer bet.

The flip side of that, is that anyone who has experience with a hub that is not listed, it would be very helpful if you can sign up at eLinux so you can enter that hub on the Verified Peripherals page, to help others with their purchase decisions.

The big problem with buying a lot of unbranded peripherals is we really cannot know their chipsets until we get them and can run lsusb on them. That is a bummer. I have some unbranded hubs that have known chipsets, but there is no way a buyer can know in advance what they are getting with unbranded peripherals, by and large.
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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:56 pm

My cheapest usb hub worked until July 2012 and then stopped working.
On my PC's, it stopped working after updates.
By 'not working', I mean that linux can see and list a usb hub but can no longer list the devices which are on it.
The problem from my rPi is exactly the same.

My single USB to PS2 keyboard+PS2 mouse worked up until august 2012 and now does nothing. Same problem- the end devices are no longer visible to the operating system.

Now if manufacturers have put into updates withdrawl of support for cheaper devices, as with floppy discs, then we have one defence against being fleeced for newer better kit every year or two. Don't go online and don't get updates.
What have others been seeing?

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:07 pm

You get what you pay for, Caveat-emptor
Searching is easy, most questions have been asked before !

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:31 pm

FYI - The ebay listed hub in the OP is garbage. I ordered it because - what the heck, it was only $6. Beware - it costs much more than that.

Either the power supply isn't really a 1000mA power supply, or the hub is so inefficient that it can't provide the power necessary to boot the RPi.

Backpower is also an issue. Not enough power makes it through the USB A plugs, and even less backpower through the USB B plug. When attempting this configuration the Pi USB ports got very hot and now my WiFi adapter isn't working right.

After I tell the seller his product is garbage - it's going in the garbage.

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Wed May 28, 2014 9:04 am

how about this http://uugear.com/ Uugear hub for raspberry pi
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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:54 pm

Would love to order this Uugear hub, but can't justify US$40 for a hub ($30 + $10 shipping).

Has a lot of nice features though.

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:01 pm

really cheap hub and its working on raspberry
€ 1,05
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-4-Po ... 67654.html

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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:20 pm

sdjf wrote:I see no one has mentioned the Verified Peripherals page.
I wouldn't trust that page if it were the last one left on the internet. It's bound to be out of date plus you can't be sure it's fair and unbiased because Tom, Dick and Harry can all edit that page.
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Re: best basic USB hub for the Pi?

Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:47 pm

Found this on walmart.com. Is it reasonable? - www.walmart.com

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