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Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:18 pm
by Skygod
If a mod simply deletes a post, should the board member be informed?

If it's in breach of a forum 'rule' then that can be stated, but just that a mod doesn't like it is a little bit authoritarian IMO.

I know that it is not allowable to discuss a mods decision, but surely the mod has to inform the poster that they are wrong and explain why.

Is this video in breach of any forum 'rules'?

I'm sorry, but there seems to be some some draconian 'power mad' mods that are trying to make this board 'kiddy friendly'.

Look to the real world and get a grip!

Maybe my last post, as I'm guessing that I'll simply be 'banned'.

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:27 pm
by Ravenous
If it had a rude reference (and I have a feeling I know exactly which post it was) then there is a rule written somewhere on this site saying what will happen.

The Pi is supposed to be kiddie friendly, why not the site? The aim is to get kids (of all ages!) here I believe.

Anyway I've probably said too much.

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:43 pm
by Skygod
It's a funny video, but it's the truth about how the WWW developed. It may not be nice, but it is a fact. The 'Internet is for Porn" was true in the early days.

I was there in 1990 and it was before 'www'. It was all about finding ftp sites and how did you find them; it was through 'gropher' and poughing through 'bulletin boards"

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:46 pm
by bredman
I was not surprised to find that the post was deleted.

I could have been sacked for playing a video with this title at work. Obviously, I didn't check what the content of the video was.

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:23 pm
by Smartybones
its the same with all boards, people forget that its not a democracy.

the board owners decide on a policy and the mods interpret that policy as they see fit. If you do not like it you dont have to stay. its your choice to be here.

The raspberry foundations aim is to get school kids programming again, so any photo, video or text that you wouldn't want your teenage kids subjected to really has no place here.

There is also legal impactions. Because the forums ARE moderated, then the board owners are liable for its content. Therefore any questionable content has to be removed. The fact that one person above mentioned that they are likely to get sacked from their job for playing that video at work, then they could possibly have some grounds for compensation against the foundation. Any such legal action is quite likely to jeopardise the future of the foundation, so a strict line should be taken for moderation of the boards.

that said, I think the mods here are very tolerant, if a post you have made has been edited / cut from the boards, you have gone way over the line

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:23 pm
by bbramble
Skygod said:


It's a funny video, but it's the truth about how the WWW developed. It may not be nice, but it is a fact. The 'Internet is for Porn" was true in the early days.

I was there in 1990 and it was before 'www'. It was all about finding ftp sites and how did you find them; it was through 'gropher' and poughing through 'bulletin boards"



How is any of that relevant to whether the video was suitable or not for this forum?

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:25 pm
by bwoodbury
Pinned on the first page of the General forum

http://www.raspberrypi.org/for.....netiquette

The post includes the following:

"Please remember that we have a lot of minors reading the Forum – please keep postings suitable for reading by older children.  That means free from profanity, explicit innuendo and adult themes, references to drug use, etc.  Basically, think family safe: PG / PG-13 / K-12  rating."

IMO any post that included a link to a video with that title should rightfully have been deleted. However I do agree that the mod should tell the member the post was deleted and VERY briefly why

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:52 pm
by johnbeetem
bwoodbury said:

IMO any post that included a link to a video with that title should rightfully have been deleted. However I do agree that the mod should tell the member the post was deleted and VERY briefly why
Liz usually does this, by deleting the offending part of the post and replacing it with the reason it was deleted.  This is generally a good way to do this, but sometimes very trollish and/or inappropriate behavior doesn't deserve any courtesy.  JMO/YMMV

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:34 pm
by ukscone
i will just delete (sometimes send a pm but if also banning the person then of course i won't. i have redacted once but after the pm's and complaints i got i can't be bothered with expanding the extra calories) but 99.999999999999...% of the time the person posting questionable stuff knows EXACTLY what they are doing and are trying to be a smartalec and i don't want to call attention to the person as it only encourages them.

it is well known that this board is kid-friendly and anything that is even close to the line will be modded.

anything that would on any other forum would be marked NSFW is/will be summilarly(?) deleted with no warning and anyone posting such material such expect to be modded and/or banned immediatly no notice as a matter of course.

My views and actions are my own but that's the way it is

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:38 pm
by abishur
If I have to outright delete a thread, then I do send the offending individual a polite message explaining why, but as John Beetem said, this is a courtesy and not a requirement so if another mod chooses to forgo an explanation then that's their right to do so.

As far as the video itself goes, while I hadn't viewed it so I can't vouch for its content, based on the title of it alone I did request a warning be placed in the thread title. Clearly another mod viewed it and decided it was a little to risque.

As to the environment of the board itself we make no apologies for the atmosphere we're encouraging on the board.  It is a clearly stated rule that we're trying to keep this board kid friendly in order to cultivate an environment where kids and even school districts can freely allow student to come and view the material on the board.  We are under no guise or disillusionment that the real world is like this, it is simply the rules that have been established for this forum and when those rules are broken the admins quietly and respectfully close or remove the offending threads.

Honestly, on any other forum you'd be facing a 3 day ban for breaking the rules no matter how ridiculous those rules were.  To only have your post deleted is hardly draconian it is in fact very lenient.  We're very nice and even mannered people by and large and very reluctant to hand out bans.  Especially when it's much more productive to correct and allow them to continue contributing to the community.

Now I'm closing this thread as you yourself admit that you know you're not supposed to open a new thread discussing why another thread was closed... but did so anyway.

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:24 pm
by jamesh
I'm just going to add a quick post closing comment as I was the one who deleted the offending post.

I did at first just edit out the video link as I believed it to be inappropriate considering on Monday I was talking and demonstrating to a load of school children about the Raspi!

However, given the replies to the original post were already referencing the OP, I decided in the end to delete the whole thread.

As to informing the OPoster that the thread had been deleted, I thought the reason why was obvious and it wasn't necessary.

Just so people don't think we are draconian here, that is the FIRST thread I have ever deleted on this forum, and even then it was borderline, which is one  reason why no other action was taken.

Re: In breach of board 'rules'

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:49 pm
by Gert van Loo
I have deleted one thread which had nothing but a nasty explicit in the text. I was a bit fast and did not write down where it came from as I would have like to do more the just delete the thread.