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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:44 pm

The foundation has said that they will be selling pre-programmed SD cards soon after launch.

It seems to me that there might be a small niche in the market, before the official SD cards become available, where people might like a cheap supply of pre-programmed cards.

Would it:

a) tread on anyone's toes

b) be of interest to anyone here

if I offered for sale on eBay, 4GB Sandisk standard SDHC cards, pre-programmed with the Fedora image, for £10 each?

If I was you, I'd be worrying how trustworthy I was and what else I might put on the cards, but I think there still might be sufficient interest to keep me busy. (And that's also the reason I wont offer anything but the official, untouched,  Fedora image.)

Of course, if the Foundation ask me not to do this then I wont.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:04 pm

I can't see that there is an issue, particularly as people are beginning to sell cases. Just make sure that the cards aren't made of loo rolls or cigarette packets!

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:24 pm

It sounds nice - but a nice detailed but easy to follow tutorial would be nice aswell for those who already have a card and can easily download the image - does one exist? can you make one?

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:41 pm

There already is a set of tutorials -

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The next one shows how to make the most of SD cards larger than 2gb also -

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:42 pm

rurwin said:


Would it:

a) tread on anyone's toes


Erm... I would have thought this was putting you in direct competition to the fouindation, who will be providing these damn soon. As the new forum is intended to switch this week and the shop coming back online. The R-Pi production being done by 2 distributors.. pretty sure they will be getting the other sources of income lined up.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:54 pm

It's in the wiki.  The instructions seem pretty good, better than I could write.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:27 pm

@spurious

That is why I am asking. I can't see the Foundation setting up a source of these cards in under a month, maybe more. I will be buying them by the dozen and programming them one by one. The Foundation has to supply them by the hundred and that takes a lot of infrastructure, which I believe does not yet exist. But I might be wrong.

I have no intention of being in competition with the foundation; when they enter the market I will either diversify or bow out. Probably the latter.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:48 am

But the official fedora r-pi distro has yet to be released or am I wrong?
I didn"t find it on the download page

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Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:58 am

The Fedora image has not been released yet. Something to do with an installer bug.
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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:06 am

You're right, but I'm betting it will be up before the first RaspPis get into user's hands.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:37 am

thanks everyone I'll have a look at those youtube videos - can be a bit easier to visualise things than just reading on the wiki

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:19 am

Afraid it would be putting you in direct competition with us - we're going to be selling them ourselves (starting later in the month, hopefully) to raise revenue for the charity. If you were selling with the words "Raspberry Pi" in there anywhere and weren't donating the proceeds, I imagine Jack would come after you with a takedown stick - sorry!
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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:42 am

Thanks Liz, no problem, that's why I asked.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:56 am

Thanks - and no hard feelings. We know your intentions were firmly in the right place! (Unlike those of the person who pitched up here yesterday trying to flog Raspi shirts to fund his website…)
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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:33 pm

any idea what the cards will cost, USD?

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:48 pm

I'd assume the same price as if you were to buy an SD from Amazon/other online retailer.

RPi could buy in bulk and get discounts and so end price being equivalent. P90 I'd say another $5.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:53 pm

my question was about the pre-loaded ones that RPi are going to be putting out

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:02 pm

...as was alexxj's answer.

In order to keep the 'competition' at bay, it is imperitive that the foundation make pre-programmed SD card available before the hardware starts to ship - so, what, 3 weeks from now max?

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:05 pm

Going by my research, the minimum price would be £5, and I would be surprised if they charged any more than £10.

2GB and 4GB cards are the same price and come in at around £5 at the cheapest, retail, one-off. They might get cards somewhat cheaper than that, but then have to program, pack and post them, and add 20% VAT and a profit margin.

Postage is 50p, VAT is £1.50, profit might be £1. Maybe another 50p to program them for a total of £8.50. But my numbers might be way off.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:50 pm

There are companies that will duplicate SD cards - and put your labels on them. I expect they can put them in pretty plastic cases as well.

The GPL forbids making a profit on the distribution of the OS doesn't it?

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:52 pm

texy said:


...as was alexxj's answer.

In order to keep the 'competition' at bay, it is imperitive that the foundation make pre-programmed SD card available before the hardware starts to ship - so, what, 3 weeks from now max?

Texy


well thats bad as I've already got my email & paid for mine (estimated delivery is 3-April-2012 according to confirmation email) and I'm in the US so that means I'd have to pay for the card and shipping to the US instead of just having them charge me for the card and add it to the RPi shipment......

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:55 pm

duplicat post, sorry.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:57 pm

Chris Rowland said:



The GPL forbids making a profit on the distribution of the OS doesn't it?


No, not at all. But if you make the software available (whether at any cost or not), you have to make the source available as well.

You could offer for sale (quite legally) a distribution for whatever price you like, as long as the source code in a compilable form is also made available.

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:58 pm

The source-code must be made available "for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution", but that does not apply here. The source-code is available on the Internet free of charge, the SD card will only contain the object code.

So this clause rules instead: "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee." There is no limit as to how large those fees may be.

See : GNU General Public License v2

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Re: Pre-programmed SD cards?

Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:04 pm

^^^ correct. Say it cost you $5 USD to copy and package 'SquirreL Linux' (just an example) you can NOT charge more than $5 USD as you CAN NOT make ANYTHING off the OS you are distributing! PERIOD!

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