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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:49 pm

I was just wondering Liz and Eben, if you were flying off to China today/tomorrow to see the finalised boards ?

Not sure about anyone else but I believe a glass of G+T is definitely ok on the expenses account if you are!

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:18 pm

Well, Liz isn't online at the moment according to the forum status below. I would hope that she's on the plane, or even arrived since it's already Monday in China !!!

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:20 pm

Liz is on-line at the moment. So either she's not on a plane (either she's still here in the UK or she's already in China) or she's on a plane with a sat link. Since I haven't flown for several years I don't know if that's possible. So she could be in the UK. Or she could be in China. Or she could be somewhere else. But she's on line at the moment.


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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:31 pm

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:45 pm

I hope Eban took the necessary precautions with data processing equipment. It seems there's a lot of snooping going on there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02.....onage.html

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:52 pm

We're both still here - it turned out that we can do the QA we need to do remotely, and one of Broadcom's guys in China has offered to take some time off to visit in person if necessary (we don't think it will be). I am saddened, because I was looking forward to the noodles.
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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:54 pm

Aww, shame.

The food was amazing last time I went to Macau. Really want to go back!

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:23 pm

Liz, please ask the Broadcom China fellow to snap some pics (with his phone) if he does visit. An post them on the 1st page - we want to see our beloved RPis

Lucky you that you managed to avoid two ~18 hour flights.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:50 pm

A photo standing alongside a stack of boards...?

10,000 x 60mm x 90mmx 10mm  =  0.54m3  excluding packing

1/2 a  pallet?   (or at least double that when packed for transit)

still a bit large for a suitcase

(or for anti-static precautions

- alongside a stack of packaging or someone else's boards)

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:41 am

They will not produce 10.000 in one go and definitely not ship them in one go...

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:49 am

Gert said:


They will not produce 10.000 in one go and definitely not ship them in one go...


Wait, what ?

Less than 10k RPis on the first batch to be sold ? Just give us some guns and call-it Battle Royale the Pi Edition

Why aren't all 10k produced in one go ? Will only a hundred or so be made so you can doube, triple and quadruple check if they are ok then the green light will be given for the rest up to 10k ? Or that's the norm to only make short batches ?

I have not seen any Pick & Place production line and i (and i think many others do) assume that it is something like in the cartoons:

- A long conveyor belt with where robotic arms (with 4-fingered white gloves) holding screwdrivers, hammers & wrenches are working on the boards, they enter a final oven and and emerge ready to use, falling into a big box. And if you further push that big lever, the conveyor belt goes faster & faster so 10k of them will be made in no time as lonk as you keep away all pesky furry animals chasing each-other.

A small article on the 1st page on how this works (with pics or a video) would enlighten us.

Thanks.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:27 am

psergiu said:


A small article on the 1st page on how this works (with pics or a video) would enlighten us.

Thanks.


Have a general search on youtube or something (should be plenty of suitable ones), I imagine most places aren't too keen on letting people film what current machines they are using etc for various reasons (probably because they are VERY expensive and the set-up can take a lot of expense to get right).  A general overall would be interesting though, has been a while since I've walked down a pick and place line.

I believe that in fact they use little imps to assemble the boards anyway, since the chips are far too small for the machines, it is a lot easier to train an imp with a little soldering iron to do the job and to get under the BGA to ensure all the connections are correct.  Little known fact, is that these are special Raspberry Pi imps, specially bread for the purpose.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:31 am

I gather they are having a little difficulty with the robots on the production line


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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:49 am

psergiu said:


A small article on the 1st page on how this works (with pics or a video) would enlighten us.


I had a quick browse through YouTube and came across this frantic little imp.



The Pi line may be something similar in principle.....
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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:00 am

Grumpyoldgit said:


I gather they are having a little difficulty with the robots on the production line



Why oh why did they switch on "PiNet"?

Jongoleur said:


psergiu said:


A small article on the 1st page on how this works (with pics or a video) would enlighten us.


I had a quick browse through YouTube and came across this frantic little imp.

The Pi line may be something similar in principle.....


Youtube blocked here...
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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:16 am

Gert said:


They will not produce 10.000 in one go and definitely not ship them in one go…


Let me re-phrase that. It will take a wile to get 10.000 boards out of the production system. It is not something you generate in a day or two. The time also depends on the volume. These factories will reserve their fastest machines for the larger production batches (think in the order of 1-10 million boards).

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:20 am

Jongoleur said:


I had a quick browse through YouTube and came across this frantic little imp.

The Pi line may be something similar in principle.....



The RPi is about half the size of that board. So if this board took ~2 minutes to populate, the RPi on a simmilar machine will take 1 minute.

10000 minutes = 166.66 hours =

(assuming one machine and 8-hour shift) =~ 21 days

(assuming 2 machines and 2 8-hour shifts) =~ 5 days

(assuming Foxconn-style unlimited number of machines and 3 10-hour shifts+overtime) = Yesterday

Dear Liz and fellows of the foundation - just give us some pictures of the RPi production line. Please

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:22 am

Presumably, if it one of the factories that also produces the IPads, it will be 24 rolling shifts.

Sorry. I see you've made a similar point.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:27 am

Given the quantity of Raspberry Pi's that will be delievered to the UK and the demand for these boards. It is obvious that there are going to be alot of disappointed people. The demand for the OS software illustrates the demand. If the boards are sold via the website you can guarantee that website will not be able to cope. I hope I am wrong.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:32 am

rossi said:


Given the quantity of Raspberry Pi's that will be delievered to the UK and the demand for these boards. It is obvious that there are going to be alot of disappointed people. The demand for the OS software illustrates the demand. If the boards are sold via the website you can guarantee that website will not be able to cope. I hope I am wrong.


Why do you wan't them to guarantee that the web site won't be able to cope?

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:35 am

Back on topic ... RPi-related pictures from China ?

Preety please ?

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:39 am

psergiu said:


Back on topic ... RPi-related pictures from China ?

Preety please ?


If you are expecting something serious and on- topic you have come to the wrong thread. This is the "Let's kill time while drinking a mug of green tea and waiting for the Pi to arrive" thread.

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:10 am

I hope the Chinese factory has a good build quality

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Re: So are you off to China???

Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:18 am

Gert said:


Gert said:


They will not produce 10.000 in one go and definitely not ship them in one go…


Let me re-phrase that. It will take a wile to get 10.000 boards out of the production system. It is not something you generate in a day or two. The time also depends on the volume. These factories will reserve their fastest machines for the larger production batches (think in the order of 1-10 million boards).



Sorry but, it was said on the front page 2 weeks ago :


The good news is that this finally means we have a date for the first batch: the boards will be *finished* on February 20


Did you mean : "It has taken a wile to get 10.000 boards out of the production system" or is there a new delay ?

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