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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued?

Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:17 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
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AkulaMD wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I know. My question was to determine whether or not this was applied even at the peak demand during the lockdown. Or did other manufacturer help to fullfil the high demand during that period?
Why would it matter? All Pis of any model are made to the same specs, regardless of where the assembly takes place. Might as ask if manufacturing the SoCs was farmed out to companies other than TSMC.
Of course it does matter. That might explain why we have issues with soldering quality as discussed in other thread. Or perhaps it's just a problem with Sony UK.
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued?

Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm

AkulaMD wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:17 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:11 pm
AkulaMD wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I know. My question was to determine whether or not this was applied even at the peak demand during the lockdown. Or did other manufacturer help to fullfil the high demand during that period?
Why would it matter? All Pis of any model are made to the same specs, regardless of where the assembly takes place. Might as ask if manufacturing the SoCs was farmed out to companies other than TSMC.
Of course it does matter. That might explain why we have issues with soldering quality as discussed in other thread. Or perhaps it's just a problem with Sony UK.
That issue has been raised and dismissed for pretty much very model of Pi ever released. There will always be some residual level of manufacturing defects. For Pis, it is actually very low. If you want to know where a given Pi was assembled, start by looking at the PCB. You will find a "country of origin" label there. Past that, some of the internal ID codes will tell you what company did the assembly work. (Note that I say "assembly" because the parts on the PCB--and the PCB itself--could come from anywhere, though for the small components that will largely be China. The major chips will be sourced from the companies whose names appear on them and the ultimate source will depend on who owns the fab where they were actually made. In the case of the Broadcom SoC, that is TSMC--and they have fabs in--IIRC--both Taiwan and mainland China.)

Beyond that, if you happen to get an actually defective Pi, which is to say that a problem *isn't* user error, then the RPT is interested so that they can examine it and--at need--talk to the assembly plant managers to fix the QC failure.

I have Pis from both China and the UK. There are no functional differences.

This is, however, rather far afield from the question about the Pi2B2 being discontinued, which it hasn't been. The only Pis I know of---off hand--that have actually been discontinued (not to be confused with the more general RPF/RPT products) are the original Model B (with only two USB ports, replaced with the 4-port version) and the Model A (replaced, ultimately, with the A+). My personal regret is that the official RPF WiFi dongle was discontinued, but that is probably largely due the advent of Pis with integral WiFi.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued? No

Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:12 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
This is, however, rather far afield from the question about the Pi2B2 being discontinued
Or the Pi4B2. A Pi2B2 would either be worth a lot on eBay, or RPT would want to get hold of it to find out where it came from ;-)
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued?

Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:18 pm

AkulaMD wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:17 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:11 pm
AkulaMD wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:51 pm
I know. My question was to determine whether or not this was applied even at the peak demand during the lockdown. Or did other manufacturer help to fullfil the high demand during that period?
Why would it matter? All Pis of any model are made to the same specs, regardless of where the assembly takes place. Might as ask if manufacturing the SoCs was farmed out to companies other than TSMC.
Of course it does matter. That might explain why we have issues with soldering quality as discussed in other thread. Or perhaps it's just a problem with Sony UK.
The solder ball issue wasn't really an issue, but did come from Sony. They fixed the issues as soon as it was spotted, which AIUI was well before it was mentioned on here. Any quality issues flagged up on here or indeed anywhere are always fed back.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued? No

Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 pm

Sony's Pencoed website says they're doing 15,000/day Pi products, and that is clearly dated to shortly after the launch of the Pi 3 ('new flagship'), so there's a good chance they're doing more now. Any systemic manufacturing issues would be spotted rather quickly at that rate, I'm sure...

Bursting for the CM4 -- which I reasonably confidently predicted would drop well before now: I was very wrong, clearly -- would make sense.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued? No

Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:17 pm

dickon wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 pm
Bursting for the CM4 -- which I reasonably confidently predicted would drop well before now: I was very wrong, clearly -- would make sense.
My original guess for CM4 release date was around now, but it's probable been pushed back due to COVID-19. Hopefully by the end of this year CM4 should drop, perhaps alongside new NEC displays to take it. The old DDR2 SODIMM form factor didn't have enough pins to expose all of the extra SoC interfaces, so there's a new form factor.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued? No

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:20 am

rpdom wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:12 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:03 pm
This is, however, rather far afield from the question about the Pi2B2 being discontinued
Or the Pi4B2. A Pi2B2 would either be worth a lot on eBay, or RPT would want to get hold of it to find out where it came from ;-)
Typos'R'us. I'd love to see one, though. It'd have to be a Pi2Bv1.4-2. That is, an underclocked Pi4B2 without WiFi. I'd buy at least 10 of them.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4 2 GB Discontinued? No

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:26 am

dickon wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 pm
Sony's Pencoed website says they're doing 15,000/day Pi products, and that is clearly dated to shortly after the launch of the Pi 3 ('new flagship'), so there's a good chance they're doing more now. Any systemic manufacturing issues would be spotted rather quickly at that rate, I'm sure...
From comments at the time, that would have been right at their sustainable rate. IIRC, they actually pushed it to 20K/day for a short time, but that was over sustainable rate. So unless they've added production lines (or there has been increased automation of the lines they have), it's unlikely that they're making them that fast, especially in light of current pandemic conditions.
Bursting for the CM4 -- which I reasonably confidently predicted would drop well before now: I was very wrong, clearly -- would make sense.
This month or within the next couple of months wouldn't surprise me. The thing to look for is the launch of the new NEC monitors--which from prior announcements are do this month....which has about 3 weeks to go yet.

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