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Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm

From Tom's Hardware site "
The Raspberry Pi 4 is the most powerful Pi yet, but the $35, single-board P
C"
From many other sites
"This credit card sized computer"
Both of these statements are false! I cannot find a RPi 3 or 4, new for $35 on any of the reseller sites. They are often double that price.

Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.

Is it just the cut and copy school of journalism?
It is sad because it make RPT look bad and it has nothing to do with them.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:48 pm

This question was first asked 8 years ago. The answer is still the same.

All Pi prices are ex-sales tax and postage. So there is the $35 Pi4/2GB. Or even cheaper models like the Zero or Model A.

Credit card size has always been the tag line - it's close enough within a few mm. It's also a lot thicker than the average CC.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:01 pm

It's also a lot thicker than the average CC.
Yet paradoxically a lot smarter too!

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:19 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
Both of these statements are false! I cannot find a RPi 3 or 4, new for $35 on any of the reseller sites. They are often double that price.

Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.
From the "Products" tab above, I selected "Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+" then "Buy now" and opened all the links to USA sellers. Every single one of them was $35.00. (Price cut alert, Micro Center is currently running an in store only sale, 1 per customer @ $30)

Measuring the PCB of the unused Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ on my desk I get 56mm x 85mm

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:29 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm
Pretty much, ISO/IEC 7810:2003 - https://www.iso.org/standard/31432.html

"ID-1: 85,60 mm x 53,98 mm"

Or, 'in other money', 85.6 mm x 53.98 mm, 3 and 3⁄8th inch x 2 and 1⁄8th inch.
colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.
Not sure what kind of Pi that would be other than not a Raspberry Pi.

The Raspberry Pi might be a little larger than actual credit card size, but not that much more. Not even when including a couple of mm for socket overhang and inaccurate measuring.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:37 pm

According to the mechanical drawing, the board itself is 85x56mm. That does seem to justify the "credit card sized" claim.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:46 pm

Does "Pi" mean "PI Board in a case" ?

Even then it seems a little large though feasible.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:54 pm

hippy wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:46 pm
Does "Pi" mean "PI Board in a case" ?
Sounds like it. I've found a site selling a bundle with a laser cut acrylic slice case which has the exact 94mm x 70mm dimensions mentioned.
Raspberry Pi 4B 9 layers case description:
1. Brand new and high quality
2. Color: Black with Crystal
3. Size: 94mm * 70mm * 33mm (L * W * H)
4.This 9 layers case is designed for the latest Raspberry Pi 4 Model B boards
5. Made of acrylic material, which won't block Pi's Wifi or Bluetooth signal. Keep your Raspberry Pi 4 Model B motherboard safer and nicer. Clear case is easy to watch the internal state while pi board working to check if all electronic components function normally.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:54 pm

It strikes me as odd that we have another first time poster with a fairly confrontation first post, seeming designed to stir things up. I get that folks may join out of frustration with their burning issue or problem but seriously, quibbling over potential fractions of a mm and making an easily disproved pricing claim...

As an old guy (been online long before the Internet when dial up bbs's were cutting edge) it is sad to see the number of seemingly trolling posts increase in a forum I enjoy.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:02 pm

bjtheone wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:54 pm
It strikes me as odd that we have another first time poster with a fairly confrontation first post, seeming designed to stir things up. I get that folks may join out of frustration with their burning issue or problem but seriously, quibbling over potential fractions of a mm and making an easily disproved pricing claim...
Those of us working with Pis every day and enjoying the ability to do so much with them are not much concerned with the advertised size or price versus actual.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:32 pm

Stores have tax and shipping sometimes

If you want a $35 Pi you can become a store :lol:

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:48 pm

bjtheone wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:54 pm
+1
I'm convinced that there is a number(small?) of people that just create an ID to post something to get the backs up of the regulars.

I suspect they are probably disgruntled former, banned members (or even current ones)

I suggested once that people just don't respond to possible bait like this but people are, of course, only human :)

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm

Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't. I realize this is of no importance to most but for those of us addicted to Curiously Strong Mints have hundreds of empty tins and would love to use for something besides tiny RF ckts, headphone amps, etc. lol

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:09 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
From Tom's Hardware site "
The Raspberry Pi 4 is the most powerful Pi yet, but the $35, single-board P
C"
That's the price for just the (populated) board itself. If you're seeing higher prices than that, go look at the official vendors.
From many other sites
"This credit card sized computer"

Both of these statements are false! I cannot find a RPi 3 or 4, new for $35 on any of the reseller sites. They are often double that price.

Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.
The PCB itself is the size of a credit card. The various connectors stick out a bit and if you put it in a case...that's not the size of the *Pi*.
Is it just the cut and copy school of journalism?
It is sad because it make RPT look bad and it has nothing to do with them.
Nope. The statements are strictly true and honest. Just don't read into them things they don't say.

Edit to add: Actually, the last Pi4B I bought was $34. I think the company in question is trying to figure out how to get rid of their supply of 1GB models.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:11 pm

emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't. I realize this is of no importance to most but for those of us addicted to Curiously Strong Mints have hundreds of empty tins and would love to use for something besides tiny RF ckts, headphone amps, etc. lol
If a Pi were released with sufficiently rounded corners, it would fit. (And, yes, Altoid tin cases would be really neat, but I think we'd lose a couple of mounting holes to achieve that.)

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:12 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
... while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.
... It is sad because it make RPT look bad and it has nothing to do with them.
It's sad because whatever you are measuring there is not a Raspberry Pi and yes, it has nothing to do with them [Raspberry Pi Foundation / Trading]

Are you measuring a case for a Raspberry Pi? That is a whole different issue.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:13 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.
strange, just tested and my pi4 is credit card sized, definitely much smaller than yours

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:16 pm

emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't.
Sounds like a challenge.

I bet if you attacked a Pi with a file you could get one to fit.

Where do I get an Altoids box around here?...
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:22 pm

Actual solution for me was attack the Altoids tin, not the Pi.

You can get them on Ebay. Strangely 'pre-owned' empty boxes run couple bucks ea but a new sealed tins full of candy 99 cents. Local Walgreens normally $1.50 but half that on sale.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:22 pm

colrose wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:11 pm
From Tom's Hardware site "
The Raspberry Pi 4 is the most powerful Pi yet, but the $35, single-board P
C"
From many other sites
"This credit card sized computer"
Both of these statements are false! I cannot find a RPi 3 or 4, new for $35 on any of the reseller sites. They are often double that price.

Most credit cards are 54mm x 86mm while my newest Pi is 70mm x 94mm.

Is it just the cut and copy school of journalism?
It is sad because it make RPT look bad and it has nothing to do with them.
That’s a heck of a first post especially after a 6 year timespan. Congrats.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:36 pm

emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't. I realize this is of no importance to most but for those of us addicted to Curiously Strong Mints have hundreds of empty tins and would love to use for something besides tiny RF ckts, headphone amps, etc. lol
Altoids tins were first mentioned as a prospective case...before the first Pi was released. Think it was even in the FAQ for a while "Will it fit in an Altoids tin"
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:55 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:09 pm
Actually, the last Pi4B I bought was $34. I think the company in question is trying to figure out how to get rid of their supply of 1GB models.
Yeah. Adafruit are selling the Pi 4B 1GB for $30 right now. Limit of 1 per customer. I think their shipping is somewhat high though. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4295 if interested.

You need to fix your quoting in that post BTW.

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:01 pm

jamesh wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:36 pm
emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't. I realize this is of no importance to most but for those of us addicted to Curiously Strong Mints have hundreds of empty tins and would love to use for something besides tiny RF ckts, headphone amps, etc. lol
Altoids tins were first mentioned as a prospective case...before the first Pi was released. Think it was even in the FAQ for a while "Will it fit in an Altoids tin"
Not anymore. At least not w/o chopping some USB and display connectors up. Even my oldest Pi that IIRC used full size SD don't fit. Maybe we have to accept that only 99.9% of docs are reliable and not 100%. Or maybe Altoids company shrank the tin over the years like almost every other food/candy maker. Still mine from 30yrs back are same size.

Of course Zero fits but not with all the adapters needed to make it work like a 'real' Pi.

No matter what it's a miracle to have a small computer for browsing and binging and a million other things in a form factor even close to this. Not to mention 90% the functionality at 10% the cost of a 'real' PC. Also lets not bring up power consumption which really takes the wind out of Billy Box fans (get it? wind? fans? .... never mind).

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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:34 pm

emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:01 pm
jamesh wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:36 pm
emma1997 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:08 pm
Bottom line: CC fits into an Altoids box, Pi don't. I realize this is of no importance to most but for those of us addicted to Curiously Strong Mints have hundreds of empty tins and would love to use for something besides tiny RF ckts, headphone amps, etc. lol
Altoids tins were first mentioned as a prospective case...before the first Pi was released. Think it was even in the FAQ for a while "Will it fit in an Altoids tin"
Not anymore. At least not w/o chopping some USB and display connectors up. Even my oldest Pi that IIRC used full size SD don't fit. Maybe we have to accept that only 99.9% of docs are reliable and not 100%. Or maybe Altoids company shrank the tin over the years like almost every other food/candy maker. Still mine from 30yrs back are same size.

Of course Zero fits but not with all the adapters needed to make it work like a 'real' Pi.

No matter what it's a miracle to have a small computer for browsing and binging and a million other things in a form factor even close to this. Not to mention 90% the functionality at 10% the cost of a 'real' PC. Also lets not bring up power consumption which really takes the wind out of Billy Box fans (get it? wind? fans? .... never mind).
The answer, even 8 years ago with the Pi1, was no, it won't fit.
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Re: Price and size of a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4

Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:21 pm

Looking at some tins on my desk, including Lemonhead which are just a tiny bit larger.... [Damn you OP, I see a dremel project in my future] I could do it with the Lemonhead tin since my 3B+ case fits inside the lid. It even has an oh so cute carry handle.

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