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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:11 am

I suspect the thinking is test the full version and if it is bug free, the version without some of the extra apps, no window manager, no xserver should be fine too. However, until you have nailed down all the little issues, why build and maintain 2 branches.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:25 am

The current full version works perfectly well when run headless.
Pi4 8GB running PIOS64 Lite

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:47 pm

I've just installed to a 64GB Sandisk and it runs ok. Pi4 4GB. Wireless. Headless. No monitor at all.
Have done an update and full-upgrade.

I use NoMachine as the VNC client which I'm not finding anywhere near as nice as RealVNC.

My monitor is 1920 * 1200, but I used the Pi config menu to set it to 1920 * 1080 because the scroll bars on NoMachine were driving me mad. But on a power off, this setting doesn't seem to be remembered. Is there something I manually need to change in the config file?

On first boot to desktop, I couldn't see the clock on the taskbar until I hovered over it. It was black on dark blue or vice-versa I think.
I don't have an icon for "applications" on the taskbar, it's just a narrow empty box.
I don't have an lxterminal icon on the taskbar and I don't seem to be able to add one. (I do find this very useful).
How can I get rid of the 4 desktop applet and/or stop the mouse scroll button from scrolling through them all?
First time I launched Chromium, it crashed the Pi. Not able to VNC in. Had to switch off.
Now, chromium is taking absolutely ages to load up and seems to hog some resource (not processor) because the rest of the Pi stops responding.
Even though I selected British on all localisation on startup, my keyboard was still set to US.

On a positive, Claws mail is working fine.
Geany is working fine and my code still compiles!!!

Good work folks!

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:22 pm

I don't know if this is supposed to be support for when something is not going well or just for testimonials but here it is. My current setup is:

pi4 with 8GB

1TB WD Blue SSD with some generic JMicron USB addapter and beta 64bit image (adopted to use only 32GB for partition + another 32GB primary and extended partition with home (~830GB) and some swap (which is not set up yet) at the end. All boots automatically (without SD) after switched to beta version for EEPROM stuff...

I've installed full KDE (I had to manually install one of dependencies or dependency's dependencies - I think it was plasma-desktop - can't remember right now) and copied whole pi's home from 32bit version I've been using on 4GB Pi4 to new SSD.

Afters installing some Java (probably just default-jdk) PyCharm and IntelliJ that I had previously dumped on pi's home just worked. Rest of KDE works and looks like one from 32bit OS.

I've just installed gtk+3.0 (lib, dev version) and compiled Eclipse's launcher (rest might follow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) without issues.

Oh, all on 4k monitor (2560x1600 so I can have it on 60-ish Hz)...

One more (probably not relevant): cannot connect both SSDs I have, so I had to add powered USB3 hub to connect other SSD I used with 4GB Pi4 and 32bit OS. Still - no issues there as I am sure I couldn't done it before, too.

Subjectively - chrome runs smoother and the whole experience seems slightly better. Not so subjectively: even after IntelliJ on with whole eclipse project loaded (just couple of editors open) and rest of 'stuff' (thunderbird, chromium x 3 windows x 12-ish tabs each) and such - I still have plenty of memory to spare :)

Conclusion: I love Pi4 with 8GB and 64bit OS! :D Well done!

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:50 pm

clicky wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:22 pm
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One more (probably not relevant): cannot connect both SSDs I have, so I had to add powered USB3 hub to connect other SSD I used with 4GB Pi4 and 32bit OS. Still - no issues there as I am sure I couldn't done it before, too.
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That's normal. Generally the Pi can only power a single USB hard disk or SSD. The advice is always to use a powered hub if you need to have two or more attached at the same time.

(Hard disks and SSDs in USB enclosures often draw more current than they're supposed to, per the various USB standards, and the total current available from the USB ports on the Pi is 1.2A).

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:55 pm

:+1:
andrum99 wrote:
clicky wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:22 pm
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One more (probably not relevant): cannot connect both SSDs I have, so I had to add powered USB3 hub to connect other SSD I used with 4GB Pi4 and 32bit OS. Still - no issues there as I am sure I couldn't done it before, too.
...
That's normal. Generally the Pi can only power a single USB hard disk or SSD. The advice is always to use a powered hub if you need to have two or more attached at the same time.

(Hard disks and SSDs in USB enclosures often draw more current than they're supposed to, per the various USB standards, and the total current available from the USB ports on the Pi is 1.2A).
Of course. What I wanted really to say that driving two external storage devices - one directly and another over USB3 hub still works... But, probably that's not relevant in conjunction to 64bit OS...

Being able to seamlessly build simple gtk (3.0) app seems more relevant - but, were would we be if we can't do things like that! :)

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:36 pm

Hi

I installed my raspberry pi 3b+ and official screen. Official screen touch problem. not same place touch. touch is 2 or 3 cm away from my finger. another i saw Chromium file download is not finalized. stayin at %100. i check file unconfirmed say waiting so long when you left browser file is gone.

other things welldone

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:54 am

Does the beta 64bit image support KMS? The image boots fine to a desktop with dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d, but my screen shows nothing when I switch to dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d-pi4 in /boot/config.txt.
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[   19.679456] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out
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[   31.967468] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out
[   42.207461] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:30 am

hjimbens wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:54 am
Does the beta 64bit image support KMS? The image boots fine to a desktop with dtoverlay=vc4-fkms-v3d, but my screen shows nothing when I switch to dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d-pi4 in /boot/config.txt.
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[   19.679456] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out
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[   31.967468] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_dependencies [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out
[   42.207461] [drm:drm_atomic_helper_wait_for_flip_done [drm_kms_helper]] *ERROR* [CRTC:65:crtc-2] flip_done timed out
It's in the kernel image, but is still the V1 patchset which isn't stable. V3 was sent to drm-devel last week, so we will be looking to bump up to that, however there are reports that it breaks vc4-kms-v3d on Pi3, so it's not a trivial task.
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:51 pm

Instead of having page upon page here, why not spawn a 64bit forum or sub-forum where posts on different subjects could get laid out, instead of having us all in this single thread?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:36 pm

business_kid wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:51 pm
Instead of having page upon page here, why not spawn a 64bit forum or sub-forum where posts on different subjects could get laid out, instead of having us all in this single thread?
I suspect that is exactly what will be done when PiOS64 comes out of beta.
For beta testing its better to have everything in the same thread, so that people working on the beta have just one thread they need to follow.

Note that the other active 64-bit thread (Pi4 64-bit raspbian kernel for testing - Focus on Pi4 @ viewtopic.php?f=29&t=250730) is actually about using a 64-bit kernel with the PiOS32 operating system, so it has its own thread.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:06 pm

A above, since this is General talk, to get the widest audience for testing.

Talk on the other PiOS version (PiOS32) is here Board index > Operating system distributions > Raspberry Pi OS

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:58 pm

Maybe not the feedback that directly helps with developing of 64bit version of Rasbian OS but still (somehow) positive one - Eclipse is finally back on Raspberry Pi (and it works faster than IntelliJ's Idea):

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I wasn't easy - nor is solution 'clean' (I gave up doing proper build after 3 days straight of continuous fix/compile on tycho build). But it made my day today! :D

Thanks everyone who made 64bit Raspberry Pi OS possible! :)
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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:07 am

mahjongg wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 pm
Dygear wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:39 pm
Is there a lite version of Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit that's available? I mostly run my Pis headless.
I won't expect there to be a lite version before the normal version comes out of beta, otherwise they would be just wasting work.

Not really any extra work if the image is made using pi-gen. It creates a minimal, light & desktop version at the same time by default.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:54 am

Does rpos/64 already have support for boot from usb on the pi4, or do we still have to manually copy special elf/dat files to the boot folder?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:57 am

jsimmonstx wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:54 am
Does rpos/64 already have support for boot from usb on the pi4, or do we still have to manually copy special elf/dat files to the boot folder?
No need to copy elf/dat files. 64bit version image boots without issue from USB.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:01 am

jsimmonstx wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:54 am
Does rpos/64 already have support for boot from usb on the pi4, or do we still have to manually copy special elf/dat files to the boot folder?
Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 9:21 am

Just for giggles......................

I already have my Pi 4 ( 4GB ) with the BETA bootloader for USB-MSD so..................... Yesterday evening I found a 16GB USB flash drive, downloaded the 64 bit image and flashed it to the drive. Plugged it into my Pi and turned it on. :o It booted straight up and installed :!: 8-)

Time to play :D

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:08 am

Is there a place on here that will update once the stable version comes out? Or is the stable version already out and I just don't know it?
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:20 am

AlienDrew wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:08 am
Is there a place on here that will update once the stable version comes out? Or is the stable version already out and I just don't know it?

A Stable Release will be announced in the Official Blog when it is released !
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:30 am

Good job! Actually I am very impressed that this "beta" is so close to perfect and well integrated.

I installed in on my Pi 4b w/ 4G RAM exactly the same way I have done with the 32 bit Raspbian when I bought the new Pi two months ago. At that point I was hoping I'll somedays see a 64bit OS, but didn't think it would come so soon.

Basically I run Raspbian -lxde -lightdm +gnome +gdm3 and some office and database applications. The only thing which doesn't yet work is having VLC player using the H264, which slows down the video and drives the CPU hot (bcmstat is your friend...)

But I know you're working on this, so I'll be glad to wait until there's a solution. Will those further improvements be announced here and made available via apt upgrade?

Thanks & regards,
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:13 pm

Hello, is it possible to include the beta of Raspberry Pi OS 64 bits on Noobs to install and use it on SSD please.

Ubuntu 20.04 on Noobs would also be very pleasant for the users that we are, while waiting a bios with a 100% functional boot on USB.

Regards.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:18 pm

phil995511 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:13 pm
Hello, is it possible to include the beta of Raspberry Pi OS 64 bits on Noobs to install and use it on SSD please.

Ubuntu 20.04 on Noobs would also be very pleasant for the users that we are, while waiting a bios with a 100% functional boot on USB.

Regards.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:47 am

phil995511 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:13 pm
Hello, is it possible to include the beta of Raspberry Pi OS 64 bits on Noobs to install and use it on SSD please.

Ubuntu 20.04 on Noobs would also be very pleasant for the users that we are, while waiting a bios with a 100% functional boot on USB.

Regards.
All these things will probably happen--when the software goes mainstream! One more time, this is BETA! You should not be messing with it if you have problems installing, removing, modifying it, or even recovering your hardware if it's bricked. The purpose of beta testing is, well, TESTING!

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:28 pm

Hi there,
Tested out with a spare 3A+ and it's running quite fine so far, despite the low amount of memory (had some "out of memory" with X11 which gave up quickly :mrgreen: ).
The question was certainly already asked but is there any way of allocating 100% memory to ARM and 0% to GPU ?
It could be great for low memory and headless setups !

Great job though, can't wait to use an official stable release :D

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:49 pm

laurent wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:28 pm
The question was certainly already asked but is there any way of allocating 100% memory to ARM and 0% to GPU ?
No, I believe 16MB is the minimum.
I use this for all my headless Pi's:

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