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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:31 am

No RealVNC won't work out of the box in this release.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:31 am
No RealVNC won't work out of the box in this release.
Which suggests my optimum strategy is to re-install the original image if I can find it. What must I avoid apt upgrading to dodge the issue? Otherwise you lose a beta tester until there is a released fix.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:39 am


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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:44 am

brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:31 am
No RealVNC won't work out of the box in this release.
Which suggests my optimum strategy is to re-install the original image if I can find it. What must I avoid apt upgrading to dodge the issue? Otherwise you lose a beta tester until there is a released fix.
Just part and part of beta testing.
You found a problem, it needs to be fixed when someone has time and knows how, perhaps RealVNC should be doing the fix? Have you asked them?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:52 am

bensimmo wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:44 am
brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am
Just part and part of beta testing.
You found a problem, it needs to be fixed when someone has time and knows how, perhaps RealVNC should be doing the fix? Have you asked them?
No too busy trying to run a business. The aim was to check out the apps we need to run (which ironically doesn't include VNC Server) in order to deploy it to desktops if or when it goes production. It was coming along so nicely ...

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:56 am

brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:52 am
bensimmo wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:44 am
brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:37 am
Just part and part of beta testing.
You found a problem, it needs to be fixed when someone has time and knows how, perhaps RealVNC should be doing the fix? Have you asked them?
No too busy trying to run a business. The aim was to check out the apps we need to run (which ironically doesn't include VNC Server) in order to deploy it to desktops if or when it goes production. It was coming along so nicely ...
And still is. Welcome to a beta programme!
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:21 am

brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:19 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:04 am
An updated .IMG has been released:
Does this contain the MMAL/VNC Server issue? I'm here because I unwittingly did an update last night and lost my VNC connect which is the only way I can access the GUI (the RPi 4/8Gb is on a server rack). Trying to ssh the fix didn't work. So a clean VNC compatible new install is what I'm looking for.
Is there a way for MMAL/VNC messages to be split to some other thread? It seems that this one feedback is going to be blown out of proportion as USB booting was. :(

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:48 am

clicky wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:21 am
Is there a way for MMAL/VNC messages to be split to some other thread? It seems that this one feedback is going to be blown out of proportion as USB booting was. :(
It was the very fact it was here that saved me a lot of grief. Rigidly enforced topic policing is deadly. I learn more from a bit of forum serendipity then I do from the core message. YMMV.

My last post on this issue.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:52 am

clicky wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:21 am
brainsys wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:19 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:04 am
An updated .IMG has been released:
Does this contain the MMAL/VNC Server issue? I'm here because I unwittingly did an update last night and lost my VNC connect which is the only way I can access the GUI (the RPi 4/8Gb is on a server rack). Trying to ssh the fix didn't work. So a clean VNC compatible new install is what I'm looking for.
Is there a way for MMAL/VNC messages to be split to some other thread? It seems that this one feedback is going to be blown out of proportion as USB booting was. :(
It's on GitHub, linked before. Which is were they do the fixing, I think somebody posted an alternative vnc to use on there too.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:59 pm

Does an upgrade via apt install this new beta or do we have to burn a new SD?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:18 pm

jlgreer1 wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:59 pm
Does an upgrade via apt install this new beta or do we have to burn a new SD?

Thank you, Jeff

It is just all previous updates since May 2020 rolled into a new .IMG.


It is actually APT update / full-upgrade to bring any RaspiOS up to date:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... pdating.md

Though it is still Beta ie testing status.....

...personally I will start afresh as I have a lot of "crud" installed.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:34 pm

Very good. Thank you for the advice.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:54 pm

Just downloaded and installed the latest release (2020-08-20) Full version onto a fresh SD card. Immediately after logging in, I tried to install chromium-browser, but couldn't.

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raspberrypi/usr/local/sdm> sudo apt install chromium-browser
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 chromium-browser:armhf : Depends: libcups2:armhf (>= 1.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
                          Depends: libgtk-3-0:armhf (>= 3.9.10) but it is not going to be installed
                          Depends: chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra:armhf (= 78.0.3904.108-rpt1) but it is not going to be installed or
                                   chromium-codecs-ffmpeg:armhf (= 78.0.3904.108-rpt1) but it is not going to be installed
                          Depends: libraspberrypi0:armhf but it is not going to be installed
                          Recommends: chromium-browser-l10n:armhf but it is not installable
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
raspberrypi/usr/local/sdm> sudo apt install libcups2
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
libcups2 is already the newest version (2.2.10-6+deb10u3).
libcups2 set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
raspberrypi/usr/local/sdm> sudo apt install libgtk-3-0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
libgtk-3-0 is already the newest version (3.24.5-1+rpt2).
libgtk-3-0 set to manually installed.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
raspberrypi/usr/local/sdm> 
Looks like something weird going on with dependency versions, since chromium wants (for example) libcups2 >= 1.4.0, 2.2.10-6 is installed, yet that's not good enough.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:10 pm

It's just 'chromium', not 'chromium-browser'.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:25 pm

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Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:10 pm
It's just 'chromium', not 'chromium-browser'.
Thanks! For reasons lost in history I've been using chromium-browser on Raspbian first and then RasPiOS for quite some time. Good to know it's my f-up, not a RasPiOS problem 8-)
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:23 pm

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:39 am
Lite version also available here:

https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspi ... 64/images/
Nice & Thank you all!

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:55 pm

DjoeC wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:23 pm
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:39 am
Lite version also available here:

https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspi ... 64/images/
Nice & Thank you all!
Ditto!

Perhaps this should be announced more widely as its easy to miss in this long thread, and a number of people have requested it?

Works fine for me so far ...

Thankyou
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:03 pm

chromium-browser vs Chromium

I just looked in synaptic and there is no straight Chromium (labelled) package in the 32-bit version of PiOS. It is labelled chromium-browser. Not that it makes any real difference but it is interesting that the same packaged is labelled differently between 32 bit and 64 bit.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:25 pm

DjoeC wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:23 pm
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:39 am
Lite version also available here:

https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspi ... 64/images/
Nice & Thank you all!
Indeed! I was ecstatic when I found this on the download page yesterday. Removing stuff from the 05-27 release was painful. I've now got my Pi4-8 running this full time customized "just so" :geek:

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:47 am

Does 'apt upgrade' trump 'rpi-update' when a new kernel is pushed by the former?

It's not the first time that I've noticed on a RPi4B that is running a beta kernel version, that if I mistakenly run 'sudo rpi-update' with a reboot and then 'sudo apt upgrade' - if it includes a base kernel push in that 'upgrade' - it overrides the beta newer kernel?

Just wondering if this is the intended result of doing the above - does this suggest the 'apt upgrade' disregards the installed kernel version as it effectively performs a kernel downgrade to it's included version?

What flag/file needs to be changed (and to what) to re-enable a subsequent 'sudo rpi-update' to successfully detect the now downgraded kernel version to allow it to be re-upgraded back to the latest beta kernel build? :|
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:58 am

CaptainMidnight wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:47 am
Does 'apt upgrade' trump 'rpi-update' when a new kernel is pushed by the former?
rpi-update and apt know nothing about each other. If apt has a kernel update then that is the version you'll get and rpi-update version will be replaced.
What flag/file needs to be changed (and to what) to re-enable a subsequent 'sudo rpi-update' to successfully detect the now downgraded kernel version to allow it to be re-upgraded back to the latest beta kernel build? :|
To force an update to latest rpi-update:

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sudo rm /boot/.firmware_revision && sudo rpi-update
and to force an update to latest apt

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sudo apt install --reinstall raspberrypi-bootloader raspberrypi-kernel

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:04 am

dom wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:58 am
To force an update to latest rpi-update:

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sudo rm /boot/.firmware_revision && sudo rpi-update

Thank you, that's the info I was looking for :D
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:47 pm

Hi,
I installed the updated 64bit image 2020-08-24 a few days ago, on my Pi desktop, viewtopic.php?f=41&t=244515&p=1491371#p1491371 moved root to a small partition I created on my ssd, which hangs off one of the USB3 ports, so that all my old stuff for 32bit is still on the old partition, I can now easily swap between 32 and 64bit. All working very nicely, boots and loads programs nice and fast. :-)
So far with my limited testing of the 64bit OS, all is good, the only problem I had was with one of my own programs, that used pointers and I had to change the pointer declaration from an (unsigned int) to a (unsigned long), otherwise it worked first time, writing directly to the screen buffer:-) I have installed a few extras, like gvim, gparted, golly, Kdiff3, all work as well as on 32bit. I do have a small problem with kdiff3, (32 and 64bit) where the file selector won't show files, only directories, this works fine on other x86 Linux boxes, or even Windows, where can I report this to get it looked at?
Keep up all your hard work.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:56 pm

bleep42 wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:47 pm
I installed the updated 64bit image 2020-08-24 a few days ago, on my Pi desktop, viewtopic.php?f=41&t=244515&p=1491371#p1491371 moved root to a small partition I created on my ssd, which hangs off one of the USB3 ports, so that all my old stuff for 32bit is still on the old partition, I can now easily swap between 32 and 64bit.

You might find MultiBoot useful for maintaining and selecting multiple operating systems on a single USB storage device.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:30 am

We have created a lot of apps on 32bit PI OS and the new 64 Bit has been very very smooth for us with a little and very small amount of tweaking

We were moving our apps to Ubuntu 64Bit 20.04 server and this has taken much less work (couple of lines of code)

Please pass on our thanks to all the team and looking forward to the production release

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