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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:34 am

rclark wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:55 am
However, tonight I tried to use fstrim command on the T5 and it says the discard operation is not supported. Only reporting this in case this is a bug. I just figured most USB SSDs would support the trim function.
Did you mount the T5 with the "discard" option ?
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:05 pm

I just looked at fstab and don't see it having a discard option. It has 'defaults,noatime'. Should I add the discard option as well?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:03 am

I use a niche software system called Inform 6 and its set of libraries to develop parser based interactive fiction. Inform 6 published an important update within the last two weeks. I am pleased to say that RPi OS (64 bit) already has the updated version available in the repository. The new version compiles as expected.I certainly didn't expect it to be available for some time.

Again a very nice surprise for the new RPi OS beta version.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:01 pm

I must say I am a happy camper on my pi 4 8G using the 64 version of the system. I thank the team/person that made it.

do you want my tilix and deps debs ?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 pm

I have run into a small issue with one of my specialty IF development apps.

It is Zilf 0.9. It runs as expected on standard Raspbian OS but not on the 64 beta.

Zilf complains that the libstdc++.so.6 is not available.

libstdc++.so IS available. I wonder if I made a link to that library if it would work?

Not a major issue, just something that needs to be worked out.

Thank you
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:40 am

jlgreer1 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 pm
It is Zilf 0.9. It runs as expected on standard Raspbian OS but not on the 64 beta.

Zilf complains that the libstdc++.so.6 is not available.
If Zilf is 32-bit, then change it to arm64. Or install the armhf variant of the libstdc++6.

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sudo dpkg --add-architecture armhf
sudo apt update
sudo apt install libstdc++6:armhf

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:55 am

jlgreer1 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 pm
I have run into a small issue with one of my specialty IF development apps.

It is Zilf 0.9. It runs as expected on standard Raspbian OS but not on the 64 beta.

Zilf complains that the libstdc++.so.6 is not available.

libstdc++.so IS available. I wonder if I made a link to that library if it would work?

Not a major issue, just something that needs to be worked out.

Thank you

https://packages.debian.org/buster/libstdc++6

The above provides libstdc++.so.6
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:57 am

Kendek wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:40 am
jlgreer1 wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:07 pm
It is Zilf 0.9. It runs as expected on standard Raspbian OS but not on the 64 beta.

Zilf complains that the libstdc++.so.6 is not available.
If Zilf is 32-bit, then change it to arm64. Or install the armhf variant of the libstdc++6.

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sudo dpkg --add-architecture armhf
sudo apt update
sudo apt install libstdc++6:armhf

Why would you want to mix ARMHF and ARM64 packages ?
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:11 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:57 am
Why would you want to mix ARMHF and ARM64 packages ?
?
The best solution if install the arm64 version of the Zilf. But if it's not possible for some reason (I don't know), the compatible armhf libstdc++6 is available. There are a lot of closed source armhf binaries that don't have arm64 version. And if you want to run an armhf binary that compiled from C/C++ source code, then you will need the compatible runtime libs.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:03 am

Thank you for the input regarding zilf.

I did add the lib but that led to other issues. 64 Zilf binaries are available for x86 linux, Windows and OS X. For some reason only the 32 bit version is available for arm linux. I will try to contact the developer.

Thank you again,
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:19 pm

So will that give me 64-bit Apache, php and mysql? The 32-bit php has very constrained date-precision - I'd switch for that feature only to be compatible with other servers... Thanks!

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:54 pm

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Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:19 pm
So will that give me 64-bit Apache, php and mysql? The 32-bit php has very constrained date-precision - I'd switch for that feature only to be compatible with other servers... Thanks!

Yes RaspiOS64 is 64 Kernel & 64 Userland and uses Debian ARM64 as it bases...
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:00 am

Is the zip file with the 64-bit OS image from May 27 still the latest image?

If so, I assume I should just `apt-get` update and upgrade basically as soon as the system first turns on to get any updates since then?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:30 am

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Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:00 am
Is the zip file with the 64-bit OS image from May 27 still the latest image?

If so, I assume I should just `apt-get` update and upgrade basically as soon as the system first turns on to get any updates since then?

It is APT update / full-upgrade / reboot to bring RaspiOS64 up to date:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... pdating.md
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:11 am

rclark wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:05 pm
I just looked at fstab and don't see it having a discard option. It has 'defaults,noatime'. Should I add the discard option as well?
No, are you sure that's a good option to add? I see people blindly adding it everywhere for anything flash/nand etc.
Unless you can prove with your specific storage it's a good idea, it might not be.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/148877/ ... c-for-ssds

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/suppo ... 02-002.pdf
IMPORTANT: Do not discard blocks in filesystem usage.Be sure to turn off the discard option when making your Linux filesystem. You want to allow the SSD manage blocks and its activity between the NVM (non-volatile memory) and host with more advanced and consistent approaches in the SSD Controller.Core Filesystems:•ext4– the default extended option is not to discard blocks at filesystem make time, retain this, and do not add the “discard” extended option as some information will tell you to do.
SSD firmwares probably manage it better than the OS does.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:24 am

any idea when this will be released as stable and officially supported?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:30 am

anubisg1 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:24 am
any idea when this will be released as stable and officially supported?
"When it's ready" is the boilerplate and sensible reply. Some dev shops work to deadlines. If revenue depends on ir and you can afford to throw resources at unexpected glitches on the critical path - this is the way to go. But it does lead to shortcuts which may fix issues in the short term that cost in the long run. So the RPT sensibly takes a more conservative approach.

Nethertheless, may I chance my luck in asking what the development path looks like, what major milestones need to be accomplished? Is it worth waiting for the upstream Debian 11 release expected next year? Will it likely go on some magical day to general release or may we see some more beta/release candidates en route?

Remember 64 bit is the future for RPi. It's important they get it right rather than early.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:20 pm

anubisg1 wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:24 am
any idea when this will be released as stable and officially supported?

RPF / RPT never ever give public deadlines..
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:26 pm

Today after the last update of raspberrypi-sys-mods on RPi 3b+ I got the following error over ssh:

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Message from syslogd@raspberrypi at Aug 13 17:29:20 ...
 kernel:[27795.904857] Internal error: Oops: 96000005 [#1] PREEMPT SMP

Message from syslogd@raspberrypi at Aug 13 17:29:20 ...
 kernel:[27795.905165] Code: f9400000 36880440 f9400e60 f9400000 (f9401400)

Message from syslogd@raspberrypi at Aug 13 17:34:11 ...
 kernel:[28087.101281] Internal error: Oops: 96000047 [#2] PREEMPT SMP

After that I was not able to connect to RPi over ssh and it seems that it is unable to boot.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:04 am

Zilf - Interactive Fiction update.

I was unable to get Zilf 0.9 to work on this new version of RPi 64 bit OS.

In addition, I was also unable to use Zilf 0.8 with "mono" as worked with earlier version of RasPi
(In previously appeared to work but the compiled files did not parse correctly.)

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:48 pm

hi.

i am testing RaspbOS 64bit.
Good job !!! Works faster than 32bit version.

I found one small bug: in game "gweled" there are no sound.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:01 pm

@gsh

Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) vs. Raspbian

Why are you making the same mistakes as in Raspbian?

Ok, nice to see, that /etc/apt/sources.list is now pointing to debian ...

BUT:

Pi-User got root-rights without password via sudo - WHY?

wpa_supplicant is running twice - WHY?

For what do we need dhcpcd5 ... isc-dhcp-client ist still working on the device ... - WHY?

Is it a Beta or Alpha?
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:42 pm

May be someone got the same issue. I just got new RPi 4 with 8Gb. When I start with the new image of Raspberry Pi OS 64bit, VNC server works fine out of the box. However, when I update the system with sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade it stops working. My Windows computer says that connection was refused by the other computer. I know that initially VNC server was not supported in 64 bit OS version, but as I understand by now this issue was resolved and it should work. Moreover, it works just fine on my RPi 3b+ with 64 bit OS.

Any suggestions?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:57 pm

I have the issue with the VNC server not running after an upgrade as well. There is some more relevant information here:

https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... /issues/86

If anyone has a way to fix the problem with the missing libmmal.so.0 library, it would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:17 pm

rubenrp wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:57 pm
I have the issue with the VNC server not running after an upgrade as well. There is some more relevant information here:

https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... /issues/86

If anyone has a way to fix the problem with the missing libmmal.so.0 library, it would be greatly appreciated.
MMAL isn't supported on 64bit builds at present.

I have no knowledge of why VNC server is using MMAL - it isn't required for screen scraping. They may be using it for video encoding, but I thought they normally used their own (proprietary) codec instead of H264.
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