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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:25 pm

dickon wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:57 pm
.uuid, if mine's the same as yours (which I imagine it is). Interesting. I haven't much cared, by the looks of it.

Now that you mention it, it was .uuid.

Obviously, not deleting the (almost empty) directory would not cause problems, but I like things neat and tidy. When something (like apt) throws a warning or error, I go investigate.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:59 pm

I was running a Pi4 8GB with two monitors with the Pi OS 64-bit, starting about a week after the 64-bit was available for beta download. This combination worked great with normal user stuff and working with FlightGear.

Starting 3 days ago:
<problem>
After eliminating one of the monitors (HDMI-1), FlightGear [1] would not display correctly in full-screen mode. It would display correctly in a window, perfectly. With one display, the screen is broken-up/scrambled into horizontal bars. Maybe a sync problem. However, the mouse courser is visible. After plugging in the second monitor (HDMI-1), the problem goes away.
</problem>

Raspberry Pi OS 32-bit works with one monitor. All cables and hardware tested good on the 32-bit version.

Let me know if I need to file a bug report somewhere ? ?

Thanks,
Jeff


[1] This program is a flight simulator using OpenSceneGraph.
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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:46 pm

I'm enjoying this 64-bit port quite a bit. So far everything is working great on my 4B 4GB.

Quick question, I need to bring up an emulation setup for this board in 64-bit. Has anyone had any luck with booting the beta 64-bit PiOS on Qemu? Are there any good howto's out there for how to do this?
Thanks!
Paul

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:39 pm

Is there any chance the eBPF kernel parameters will be enabled by default?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:31 pm

protik77 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Is there any chance the eBPF kernel parameters will be enabled by default?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:12 am

dom wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:31 pm
protik77 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Is there any chance the eBPF kernel parameters will be enabled by default?
I don't see any response. Yes? No?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:42 am

Just ran a sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade which updated chromium from ver 80 to ver 83
It is now so slow as to be unusable.
Check chrome://gpu and still shows accelerated but webgl aquarium test has dropped from 20-23 frames
to just 10-13 frames.
Disabled all extensions no change, cleared cache no change, reboot Pi no change.
Even just getting the settings page to display takes an age so it is not down to internet connection.
CPU load is showing at 90%+ during page rendering , even for the settings page.
Ran Firefox and it's performance is normal.
Anyone else having issues with this version of Chromium on Pi OS beta 64 bit ?
P.s I am running vc4-kms-v3d-pi4 and not vc4-fkms-v3d if that makes a difference, I will try
the fkms mode to see if it has an effect on the results.
Running on Pi4 1.4 8Gb model.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:51 am

Follow up to chromium update issue problem persists with either fkms or full kms dtoverlay.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:54 am

Is Chromium, like VLC, one of those packages that Pi Towers has made extensive modifications to, to accelerate it on the Pi? If so, you've probably just pulled in an unoptimised, updated Debian version.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:05 am

That is a possibility, I just assumed that the repro system would only use the Pi optimised versions.
Is there an easy way to regress the update and prevent it happening again for future chromium package upgrades ?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:03 am

The only version of chromium listed via apt list for 64 bit is the 83. version so can't select an older one to regress to.
I ave tried re-install the chromium-rpi-mods but this did not fix it.
However I tried running the current 83 version from the command line and got the following errors :-

/usr/lib/chromium/chromium
MESA-LOADER: failed to retrieve device information
MESA-LOADER: failed to retrieve device information
MESA-LOADER: failed to retrieve device information
[30677:30690:0702/105343.939362:ERROR:nss_util.cc(283)] After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
MESA-LOADER: failed to open kms_swrast (search paths /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/dri:\$${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
failed to load driver: kms_swrast
MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/dri:\$${ORIGIN}/dri:/usr/lib/dri)
failed to load swrast driver

Which I think may be the cause of the issues
Anyone able to shed any light on this ?

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:12 am

This may be part of a message it's time to move on from Chromium. I did - my browser history was Lynx -> Mosaic -> Netscape -> IE -> Chrome(ium) -> Vivaldi.

There isn't a proper released modern V3 ARM64 variant. I couldn't get the 'secret' V2/ARM64 to work but Vivaldi V1/ARM64 appears to be working OK. This is only Day 2 of my BETA experience but generally impressed so far. RPI 4/8GB.

Which leaves the interesting question of what browser should be bundled into the final release of PiOS64? The PiOS32 struggles with Chromium and is taking resource from the Foundation but under-delivering - ie being stuck on older versions.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 am

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:42 am
Just ran a sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade which updated chromium from ver 80 to ver 83
It is now so slow as to be unusable.
Check chrome://gpu and still shows accelerated but webgl aquarium test has dropped from 20-23 frames
to just 10-13 frames.
Disabled all extensions no change, cleared cache no change, reboot Pi no change.
Even just getting the settings page to display takes an age so it is not down to internet connection.
CPU load is showing at 90%+ during page rendering , even for the settings page.
Ran Firefox and it's performance is normal.
Anyone else having issues with this version of Chromium on Pi OS beta 64 bit ?
P.s I am running vc4-kms-v3d-pi4 and not vc4-fkms-v3d if that makes a difference, I will try
the fkms mode to see if it has an effect on the results.
Running on Pi4 1.4 8Gb model.
Yes. Had the same issue this morning. Will need to roll back the update since Chromium 83 can't even load Gmail without crashing out ( after a few minutes of failing to load ).

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:51 am

idpitt wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 am
Yes. Had the same issue this morning. Will need to roll back the update since Chromium 83 can't even load Gmail without crashing out ( after a few minutes of failing to load ).
I was unable to find a method of rolling the update back, let me know if you succeed and what commands you used.
I hope someone from the Pi development team can correct this version of chromium browser (it will need to be fixed before the beta goes to supported version).
I have installed Vivaldi from the arm64 .deb file (as detailed in rely from brainsys above) and it flies along (basically chrome 83 with a skin on steroids)
with full acceleration enabled.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:55 pm

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:51 am
idpitt wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 am
Yes. Had the same issue this morning. Will need to roll back the update since Chromium 83 can't even load Gmail without crashing out ( after a few minutes of failing to load ).
I was unable to find a method of rolling the update back, let me know if you succeed and what commands you used.
I hope someone from the Pi development team can correct this version of chromium browser (it will need to be fixed before the beta goes to supported version).
I have installed Vivaldi from the arm64 .deb file (as detailed in rely from brainsys above) and it flies along (basically chrome 83 with a skin on steroids)
with full acceleration enabled.
Same issue as you - can't reinstall the 80 version completely ( at least not in the 5 minutes I had to try this out ). This happened to me on Sakaki's Gentoo build too which ultimately caused me to ditch the Pi as a casual browsing device due to it's fragility of this kind. Up until this point, the 64 bit beta experience has been outstanding on an 8GB unit. If necessary, I'll do a re-image since the set up I have is pretty straightforward.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm

OK to answer my own question I downloaded the following .deb files from debian ftp mirror

chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb
chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

Then I ran

sudo apt install ./chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb ./chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

which downgraded the chromium browser to the working version 80
(I think you may only need 3 of the above files chromium, chromium-common and chromium-sandbox as these were the only 3 downgraded the other 3 were just installed as new packages)

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:59 pm

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm
OK to answer my own question I downloaded the following .deb files from debian ftp mirror

chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb
chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

Then I ran

sudo apt install ./chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb ./chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

which downgraded the chromium browser to the working version 80
(I think you may only need 3 of the above files chromium, chromium-common and chromium-sandbox as these were the only 3 downgraded the other 3 were just installed as new packages)
Thanks. Will do this sometime today.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:14 pm

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:51 am
I have installed Vivaldi from the arm64 .deb file (as detailed in rely from brainsys above) and it flies along (basically chrome 83 with a skin on steroids)
with full acceleration enabled.
Yes - that's a pretty elusive beast. Finally located 3.1.1929.45 as: https://downloads.vivaldi.com/stable/vi ... _arm64.deb. Installed nicely and now synced with the rest of my RPi and non-RPi clients.

Enjoy.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:01 pm

The Chromium Browser was working fairly OK for a few weeks and now it's choking up. I switched to Midori and it works pretty good. I'm using # Version 83.0.4103.116 (Developer Build) built on Debian 10.4, running on Debian 10.4 (64-bit) ... It's not functional at all...

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm

I decided to download the Vivaldi Browser. It works better than Midori and Chromium at this moment.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:58 pm

idpitt wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:59 pm
PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm
OK to answer my own question I downloaded the following .deb files from debian ftp mirror

chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb
chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

Then I ran

sudo apt install ./chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb ./chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

which downgraded the chromium browser to the working version 80
(I think you may only need 3 of the above files chromium, chromium-common and chromium-sandbox as these were the only 3 downgraded the other 3 were just installed as new packages)
Thanks. Will do this sometime today.
Sorted. Many thanks.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:43 am

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm
OK to answer my own question I downloaded the following .deb files from debian ftp mirror

chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb
chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

Then I ran

sudo apt install ./chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb ./chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

which downgraded the chromium browser to the working version 80
(I think you may only need 3 of the above files chromium, chromium-common and chromium-sandbox as these were the only 3 downgraded the other 3 were just installed as new packages)
Thank you. This worked well. I had a lot of trouble finding the packages on the debian ftp mirror but once I did I downloaded them and installed.

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:18 am

If you want to continue to do apt upgrade and not have the standard chromium packages updated from
version 80 to the faulty version 83 then issuing the command

sudo apt-mark hold chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox

should stop them being updated until they are manually released again via

sudo apt-mark unhold chromium chromium-common chromium-sandbox

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:04 pm

idpitt wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:55 pm
PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:51 am
idpitt wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 am
Yes. Had the same issue this morning. Will need to roll back the update since Chromium 83 can't even load Gmail without crashing out ( after a few minutes of failing to load ).
I was unable to find a method of rolling the update back, let me know if you succeed and what commands you used.
I hope someone from the Pi development team can correct this version of chromium browser (it will need to be fixed before the beta goes to supported version).
I have installed Vivaldi from the arm64 .deb file (as detailed in rely from brainsys above) and it flies along (basically chrome 83 with a skin on steroids)
with full acceleration enabled.
Same issue as you - can't reinstall the 80 version completely ( at least not in the 5 minutes I had to try this out ). This happened to me on Sakaki's Gentoo build too which ultimately caused me to ditch the Pi as a casual browsing device due to it's fragility of this kind. Up until this point, the 64 bit beta experience has been outstanding on an 8GB unit. If necessary, I'll do a re-image since the set up I have is pretty straightforward.
Just fyi (and with apologies for the OT!), the current (v1.6.0) release of gentoo-on-rpi-64bit ships with v84.0.4147.30 of Chromium. This gets ~25fps @ 500 fish @ 1024 pixels, but you do need to turn off window manager compositing (Applications -> Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks; Compositor tab) for best performance. Screenshot below captured on an RPi4, using fkms:

Image

Also seems to run gmail without any particular issues.

hth, sakaki

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Re: STICKY: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version feedback

Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:49 pm

PiUser10 wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:57 pm
OK to answer my own question I downloaded the following .deb files from debian ftp mirror

chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb
chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb
chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

Then I ran

sudo apt install ./chromium_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-l10n_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_all.deb ./chromium-common_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-sandbox_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-driver_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb ./chromium-shell_80.0.3987.162-1_deb10u1_arm64.deb

which downgraded the chromium browser to the working version 80
(I think you may only need 3 of the above files chromium, chromium-common and chromium-sandbox as these were the only 3 downgraded the other 3 were just installed as new packages)
Where did you find these files and how did you get them? I've been searching for a couple of hours but can't seem to find them. Thanks...Randy

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